The Juggernaut - Prime of the Warforged

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And do the stat bonus' from Completionist count towards feat pre-reqs?

[ycheese123]

Imo Cleaver is currently the best weapon in the game, U17 will only boost that.

Could you expand on that? I'm just actually curious, not disagreeing or anything. In fact I'd rather use it than the esos, and break my claw set for prowess set and gain 15ppr. Plus the benefit form headman's chop.

[aristarchus1000]

Could you expand on that? I'm just actually curious, not disagreeing or anything. In fact I'd rather use it than the esos, and break my claw set for prowess set and gain 15ppr. Plus the benefit form headman's chop.

I think with the added augment slot, it allows it to be used to break DR (especially with arti buffs). Combine that with freeing up your glove/bracer slots for some nice Exc Seeker and/or other DPS, plus the benefits of PPR, it seems to be a more than fair trade off.

I think for a barb with 100+ strength the eSoS may still be king, but for a build like this with lower strength, I think I'd rather go with a Cleaver + Prowess combo.

[Viisari]

Could you expand on that? I'm just actually curious, not disagreeing or anything. In fact I'd rather use it than the esos, and break my claw set for prowess set and gain 15ppr. Plus the benefit form headman's chop.

Limbchopper is superb CC for EE quests, cursespewing makes landing tactics easier and is extra damage too. And of course the set bonus and damage on the thing is good.

[Carpone]

Limbchopper is superb CC for EE quests, cursespewing makes landing tactics easier and is extra damage too. And of course the set bonus and damage on the thing is good.

I want to like the Clever, but:

1. Even with the Planar Conflux bonus, eSoS is still higher damage.
2. While Limbchopper and Improved Cursespewing are neat, you can't summon them on demand.
3. I don't need 25 Commendations of Heroism to slot eSoS with Good DR bypass.

The most compelling reason for me to use Clever is the Planar Conflux 15 PRR. If I didn't have an eSoS, I'd probably use Sireth for that for a middle ground in damage and defense, and the fact that it doesn't need 25 commendations to bypass Good DR.

[Maxallu]

I want to like the Clever, but:

1. Even with the Planar Conflux bonus, eSoS is still higher damage.
2. While Limbchopper and Improved Cursespewing are neat, you can't summon them on demand.
3. I don't need 25 Commendations of Heroism to slot eSoS with Good DR bypass.

The most compelling reason for me to use Clever is the Planar Conflux 15 PRR. If I didn't have an eSoS, I'd probably use Sireth for that for a middle ground in damage and defense, and the fact that it doesn't need 25 commendations to bypass Good DR.

I was on the fence as well for a bit but looking at the numbers, Cleaver is just way ahead of Sireth. I really wanted to love sireth but in the end I had zero problems spending all of my coms on the Cleaver. Don't forget the phlebotomizing either.

Also, we are talking end game gear, it is not time to worry about a few COH.

[Machination]

No.

Only STARTING BASE+SPENT+TOME (and only up to the lvl you are taking or swapping feat).

Enhancements, Completionist Feat, Gear, Pots, etc. do not count

And do the stat bonus' from Completionist count towards feat pre-reqs?

[Lurzifer]

Currently i am using a couple weapons for different situations:

Esos: No Fort Boss dps
Cleaver: High Fort not-undead Boss and hard-hitting (300-400 swing- Ogres/trolls/giant skellis) Trash
DrowGaxe Stun 10: Blitzing through EE without Hard-Hitters (good synergy with avithoul ring instead of Dun robar with stun 10)
Triple Pos Maul: Undead Skellis / Abbot
Skybreaker: Slotted with good for Elemental / Devil / Vampire and werwolf content
Pinion: any ranged combat for undead like truthful one shot with Silver Flame Bow

Esos is higher dps than cleaver in a zero Fort scenario, considering that actually alot of mobs in EE Gh have at least 50% fort makes the cleaver better even with Tier 3 Black Armor.

Only thing Esos pulls ahead is the ability to crit way more, base damage is behind the cleaver and with the 6% double strike + phlebotomizing its quite nice.

My esos is slottet with good, the cleaver is 7 commends away from the slot, but i am not sure yet what i will slot, either 114 reconstruction or 1d10 extra dmg.

the 24 reconstruction more sets the reconstruct from 435 to 471 with a superior mending pot from house J thats even at 508. A significant difference for surivival and thats what the cleaver is for anyway.

[Carpone]

Sitting currently on ~1000 hp, 58 Prr in fury, 52 in LD, Saves are 55,52,48
Stats normal buffed (self with shipbuffs but without any potions):
56 Str 40 Dex 48 Con 30 Int 30 Wis 19 Cha

In that setup with 52 Reflex save, what twists do you have? Brace for Impact, Primal Scream/Legendary Tactics, Sense Weakness/Momentum Swing?

[Carpone]

Also, we are talking end game gear, it is not time to worry about a few COH.

With four end-game toons, for me it's about CoH prioritization. Even running EH or EE FoT once or twice a day, I'm several months away from having the CoH I want. My Juggernaut is currently level 17 with an eSoS waiting for him, and my monkcher is taking CoH priority.

[Lurzifer]

Well Cleaver needs only 3 CoH to be efficient, but Esos will do until then :P

I have brace for impact twisted always in LD and Fury, sitting on 52 reflex a bit more against traps.

In Fury: Brace + Tactics + Grims precision
in LD: brace + Scream + Sense weakness

The Fort bypass from Grims + Black Docent 20% is very nice for Fury manyshot
Even on Truthful on im getting 75-100% crits on the manyshot with a simple shot from silver bow at start. 55% bypass ftw

Brace is kinda uber here, because youre not just kinda save like fleshies from crits but seriously save with 165% fort in LD and 155% in Fury.

EE Content feels currently like a cakewalk, the only exception here is solo EDA since the damage incoming here is pretty nasty.

With my PRR of 52 im noticing not really any hits over 200 from trash and not over 270-300 from bosses, ghostly, Displacement and some dodge do the rest.

Trying to improve the current version but i am kind of stuck, will see the possible improvements when both cleaver and pinion are red slottet.

Haek

[knockcocker]

Helm: EE Black Dragon 3 Con with Deathblock and PRR
Necklace: Stormreaver Necklace with Draconic Essence
Trinket: Planar Focus with 3 Str
Cloak: EE Jeweled Cloak with 7 Resistance and 7 Const
Belt: Spare Hands with False Life and 7 Wis
Ring: Avithoul with 2 wis / Dunrobar stun 10
Ring: Master Artificer Ring with Globe of Imperial Blood and Good luck
Boots: EE Threads of Falling Shadow
Gloves: EE Nether Grasps
Bracers: +8 str, superior parrying with Guild slot
Goggles: Intrigate Field Optiics with 8 Int, Blindness and Fear immunity
Armor: Epic Black Docent with Heavy Fort

Weapons are: Esos, Cleaver, Pinioin and Stormbreaker for differnt occasions

Sitting currently on ~1000 hp, 58 Prr in fury, 52 in LD, Saves are 55,52,48
Stats normal buffed (self with shipbuffs but without any potions):
56 Str 40 Dex 48 Con 30 Int 30 Wis 19 Cha

Absolutely love your build. How are you getting base stats so high though?

e.g. 40dex. I'm counting 12 from equipment, 4? tome, 4alchemical, 2
completionist. Did you start with 18 (or 15 with +1 from Ranger and +2
from Yugo?). 30 int and 30 wis - how are you doing that?

Obviously this is critical for saves - personally, I can't see how I can
build anything other than the Paladin version because of this (I have most
of the gear, only down a couple of stat points here and there from not
having EE versions).

Thanks.

[Viisari]

e.g. 40dex. I'm counting 12 from equipment, 4? tome, 4alchemical, 2
completionist. Did you start with 18 (or 15 with +1 from Ranger and +2
from Yugo?). 30 int and 30 wis - how are you doing that?

Base 15 + 4 tome + 1 exceptional + 8 item + 3 insightful + 2 ship + 2 completionist + 4 tensers + 1 ranger.

Int is 12 base + 4 tome + 8 item + 1 exceptional + 2 completionist + 2 ship + 1 arti.

Wis would be 10 base + 5 tome + 1 exceptional + 7 item + 2 completionist + 2 ship and rest from something

[knockcocker]

Base 15 + 4 tome + 1 exceptional + 8 item + 3 insightful + 2 ship + 2 completionist + 4 tensers + 1 ranger.

Int is 12 base + 4 tome + 8 item + 1 exceptional + 2 completionist + 2 ship + 1 arti.

Cheers.

[knockcocker]

Wis would be 10 base + 5 tome + 1 exceptional + 7 item + 2 completionist + 2 ship and rest from something

1 Monk + 2 insightful

[Lurzifer]

Yep last two are from insightful.

In Fury with Primal Scream and Acute Instincts thats another 2 Wisdom and 3 additional Willsave from Tunnel vision

[Carpone]

Goggles: Intrigate Field Optiics with 8 Int, Blindness and Fear immunity

Er, not EE Dream Visor? Blindness should be addressable with potions. Epic Fear sucks, but I can't think of an encounter where mobs spam Dispel and Fear. Even if there were, you could slot this in place of Draconic Essence since you can cast 30 Resist.

[Lurzifer]

Err Dream Visor? I personally dont think those Goggles are any good. Especially not on a build that lifes from well rounded gear instead of max for anything special.

For some reasons:
1. No True Seeing - Crucial period.
2. Only one Slots
3. The only perk is +3 dmg more than ship buffs and completly useless with a bard in group.

So i am traing 3 Damage for True seeing, fear immu, blindness imu and 4 dmg with repeater, yea well sorry that aint worth it :P

Edit: Aint using the Draconic Essence because its basically pretty ****** lol, got currently the disease +10 slottet in the necklace to be immune against all diseases not only natural, only exception is mummy rot. Was using +10 poison first but the stated 10 DR against poison damage isnt working, so its pretty useless.

[78mackson]

Err Dream Visor?

For some reasons:

3. The only perk is +3 dmg more than ship buffs and completly useless with a bard in group.

Inspired Courage is morale bonus and will stack with DV.

[Lurzifer]

Uh ya indeed

Well we dont really run with bards often anymore since the usefulness of bards got a big hit by destinies.

But tbh the 3 damage aint worth it imo. I only gearswap for clickies everything else has to be there constantly, and tbh if u get feared or blinded on EE GH thats kind of death sentence :P