The Juggernaut - Prime of the Warforged

[emptysands]

I don't think Zen Archery currently WAI.

Centered when using a bow - it works.

Combat Archery is still broken, or at least haven't heard anyone saying if it's been fixed.

[Bacab]

Centered when using a bow - it works.

Combat Archery is still broken, or at least haven't heard anyone saying if it's been fixed.

They fix it in regards to GMoF?

[Machination]

Meli we need to get a group of 6 running around....come over to the dark side I really do enjoy DOOF so much I've been completely ignoring RTFM gear upgrades etc. and just playing healer on RT lately that's it

I keep reading this thread... And getting more and more tempted. And I have just the character to do it with too.

[Daemoneyes]

Lurzifer any update on the twf version?

[Machination]

If you are going fleshie make a monkcher build (Something like Sith's build). You get the 10K stars more burst ranged damage and can do other stuff, but you don't have the recon. Like everything, give and take depending on your playstyle. I've been running with several monkchers and the playstyle is comparable when ranging. The think I like about Jugg is the recon at will.. It is very handy to say the least.

Very interesting.

I know one of the main points of this build is WF, but 1) I don't have WF 2) I hate the way they look and 3) I like playing haflings.

So can this be adapted to a fleshy? I would even be willing to go hElf (use the ranger version and take Pally dilly), but I can't bring myself to make a WF.

Or is the repair THAT much better than anything else I can use.

[Lurzifer]

Well the TWF version has some flaws still, problem are the at least 2 more feats u have to spend on it, actually rather 3 since u want one of the exotic weapons for best performance.

It can be done, but i have currently too much fun with current version of Haek to try and LR for other build version.

And i wont post any theory build here, only stuff i played myself and know that it works properly.

What u can do is choose drop IPS and completionist on the ranger version and take ITWF and GTWF instead and use Mohrns Mainhand + Balizarde Offhand, that should be quite nice. Other than that advise there wont be anything else in the near future on the Twf version from my side.
The simple fact that all combat attack styles are much better in Thf and S&B than they are in Twf brings me to the point where i just dont play twf until they resolved that issue.

[Machination]

Have not done the math but dual wielding Axe of Adaxas with headman's chop with a TWF version is going to be a lot of damage.

New deathnips are so hot!!! And the looks... I'm a fan.

I just can't wait to find a proper build to fit them in

[Machination]

I've been playing around with TWF (with no feats!) in EE GH flags and walkups when I get a chance, and I don't see any to-hit issues. Fact is you are only using this on mobs and not bosses (bosses will be ranged). So far I don't see to-hit as an issue, only issue is GTWF for the offhand attack proc.

Well the TWF version has some flaws still, problem are the at least 2 more feats u have to spend on it, actually rather 3 since u want one of the exotic weapons for best performance.

It can be done, but i have currently too much fun with current version of Haek to try and LR for other build version.

And i wont post any theory build here, only stuff i played myself and know that it works properly.

What u can do is choose drop IPS and completionist on the ranger version and take ITWF and GTWF instead and use Mohrns Mainhand + Balizarde Offhand, that should be quite nice. Other than that advise there wont be anything else in the near future on the Twf version from my side.
The simple fact that all combat attack styles are much better in Thf and S&B than they are in Twf brings me to the point where i just dont play twf until they resolved that issue.

[Loriac]

Forester's brush hook is an alternative to getting EWP:Khopesh on the twf variant. It saves a feat, and allows you to stay centred, opening up the trembling earth finisher (+2 crit multiplier). You can also drop mithral body entirely; you have better ac unarmored anyway, and the 4% dodge from monk is worth more than the 13PRR from mithral body imo (if you really wanted to, you could twist standing with stone and have a total of 18PRR in earth stance anyway, but I prefer fire stance for the str bonus and easy ki generation on my toon). Additionally, a dance of flowers will up the EH/EE versions of the brush hook to 4[w] / 4.5[w] respectively, and deadly weapons is 'always on' as the weapon is aligned and metallic. Very good lootgen khopeshes will still beat out this weapon of course, but its very competitive if you can get the EH/EE versions which have phlebotomizing.

Having played around with being centred for a bit however, I'm getting drawn back to the idea of using the stout walking stick (or sireth when I get my hands on it) and making use of the earth finishing move. On sireth in particular, you'd end up with a 15-20x4 crit profile on finishing moves which seems very good.

[Lurzifer]

I tested the Forester Brush Hooks, that was my original idea for the Twf build version. The attack range is just so short that its very irritating to play, especially with knockbacking giants -.-

The EE Versions are a major Pita zu get.

[Thayion516]

Well here is a try at a 2 weapon fighting Jugg.

Please give me thoughs / critiques as i will be trying this on my next Life. So i want it Semi Playable.

Issues I Have are Leveling Class Order and some of the feat orders in relationship to the monk and arti bonus feats.

Tear it apart!

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Jugg 
Level 25 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(2 Monk \ 2 Ranger \ 16 Artificer \ 5 Epic) 
Hit Points: 415
Spell Points: 1015 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 15
Will: 12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 25)
Strength             18                    27
Dexterity            15                    18
Constitution         16                    21
Intelligence         14                    17
Wisdom                6                     9
Charisma              6                     9

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 6
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 6
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 6
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 6
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 6
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 6
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 17
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 17
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 17
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 17
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 17
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 17

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 25)
Balance               4                    20
Bluff                -2                     5
Concentration         7                    25
Diplomacy            -2                     5
Disable Device        6                    31
Haggle               -2                     5
Heal                 -2                     5
Hide                  2                    10
Intimidate           -2                     5
Jump                  4                    22
Listen               -2                     5
Move Silently         2                    10
Open Lock             6                    32
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                2                     9
Search                6                    31
Spot                 -2                     5
Swim                  4                    14
Tumble                n/a                  11
Use Magic Device      2                    31

Level 1 (Artificer)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Construct Mastery
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Scrolls
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Composite Plating
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Great Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Repeating Heavy Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Repeating Light Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Inscribe Artificer Scroll
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Light Fortification
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Reload
Feat: (Automatic) Revive Iron Defender
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Feat: (Automatic) Unleash Iron Defender
Feat: (Automatic) Warforged Traits
Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Artificer Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Damage I


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Reptillian
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation I


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Tactics I


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) AC Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I


Level 5 (Monk)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation


Level 6 (Artificer)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Craft Mastery
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Potions
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Rune Arm Use
Enhancement: Artificer Improved Rune Arm Use I
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Reconstructive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Storm Manipulation I
Enhancement: Artificer Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Warforged Tactics II


Level 7 (Artificer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Wands
Enhancement: Improved Use Magic Device I
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation II


Level 8 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Quicken Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Artificer Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Attack I


Level 9 (Artificer)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge: Arms and Armor
Feat: (Automatic) Retain Essence
Enhancement: Reconstructive Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation III
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack II


Level 10 (Artificer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Artificer Battle Engineer I


Level 11 (Artificer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Artificer Knowledge (ALL)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Improved Use Magic Device II


Level 12 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Manyshot


Level 13 (Artificer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Storm Manipulation II
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Warforged Tactics III


Level 14 (Artificer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation V


Level 15 (Artificer)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost IV


Level 16 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Archer's Focus
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II


Level 17 (Artificer)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Skill Mastery


Level 18 (Artificer)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 19 (Artificer)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Artificer Crossbow Damage II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV
Enhancement: Improved Use Magic Device III
Enhancement: Improved Use Magic Device IV
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation VI
Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack III


Level 20 (Artificer)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Improved Fortification


Level 21 (Artificer)
Skill: Bluff (+2)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Repair (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+56750088)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow
Enhancement: Artificer Skill Boost III
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation VII


Level 22 (Artificer)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Repair (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+56751468)


Level 23 (Artificer)
Skill: Bluff (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+0.5)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+56751780)


Level 24 (Artificer)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Repair (+4)
Feat: (Artificer Bonus) Heighten Spell


Level 25 (Artificer)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Repair (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

[darksol23]

Just want to say thanks to the OP for the build.

My completionist journey to pass-the-time had finally come to an end. I had an eSoS and a True Heart in my pack and no future, until I read this thread. Death rises for the final time to join the ranks of the Juggernauts.

Great build. Looking forward to running around smashing things.

[Ancient]

It is a great build, and I wanted to throw a little tidbit out there...

If you have an old war-forged arti laying around, the monk/ranger splashes need to be taken early. But if you go with a fighter 2 splash, you can splash late. It isn't as powerful, but if you are just trying to finish out a life... it is something you can do with just an LR.

If the build is this much fun on a wanna-be version, I can't wait to play the real thing next life!

[Ancient]

I do have one question:

My wanna-be-jugg is on a second account. Very Very limited gear selection so far, but tomorrow santa-cove is coming to town!

Any thoughts on priority items for this build?

[Viisari]

Any thoughts on priority items for this build?

Ring of The Master Artificer is pretty awesome for both leveling and cap, not too hard to get either.

[Matuse]

From the Cove, I've always been a huge fan of the buccaneer ring. +7 Dex, +2 Good Luck, and a green slot is quite some yummy. But that's tough to fit into a Juggernaut with one ring dedicated to the artificer ring.

[Lurzifer]

Heya,

New Video up, all Dragon Fights in EE Tor in together way under 5 Minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqUb2bwMc5g

Haek

[Loriac]

Have not done the math but dual wielding Axe of Adaxas with headman's chop with a TWF version is going to be a lot of damage.

I think pulveriser gives you more than headman's chop; the latter is a 10% increase on base damage, whilst the former expands the crit range before improved critical. This makes weapons like Mornh particularly effective, as you end up with an SoS crit profile. You can also get base 18-20 crit range blunt weapons (e.g. necro turn in mace), which in the offhand give you a decent chance to proc on-crit effects (such as stunning blow from anvil of thunder), as the effective range becomes 13-20 with pulveriser and imp crit: blunt.

The highest crit damage is lower, but damage over time will favour the addition from pulveriser on a good base crit weapon.

[tekkentroop]

Spyglass slotted with 6 int is a great swap-in for a jug. Great search, 8 or 9 more int for disabling, and my jug will have disable/OL from spare hand anyway. Maybe my version with trip/stun and pal levels is a bit dated but I like tactics and have a fighter PL. No space for buccaneers ring, ring 1 is master artificer, ring 2 would have to be +10 stun robar if I ever get my hands on one. 7 dex and good luck can be slotted somewhere anyway.

[Machination]

Yes I have a Mornh just waiting till I get second and I will swap two feats and test this.

I hate giving up IPP, but I think I agree with Haek that's probably one feat could live without, as well as "Zen Archery". Will swap those out for ITWF and GTWF and test some the Mornh

I think pulveriser gives you more than headman's chop; the latter is a 10% increase on base damage, whilst the former expands the crit range before improved critical. This makes weapons like Mornh particularly effective, as you end up with an SoS crit profile. You can also get base 18-20 crit range blunt weapons (e.g. necro turn in mace), which in the offhand give you a decent chance to proc on-crit effects (such as stunning blow from anvil of thunder), as the effective range becomes 13-20 with pulveriser and imp crit: blunt.

The highest crit damage is lower, but damage over time will favour the addition from pulveriser on a good base crit weapon.