The Juggernaut - Prime of the Warforged

[Lurzifer]

Yes im playing the Ranger version. It is imo the far better on.

[Bacab]

Yes im playing the Ranger version. It is imo the far better on.

I was thinking this too.

Also, Sprint Boost really speeds up the leveling process early on.

It can also save ya when things go bad (Feeble Mind or just putting some distance between you and mobs while your timers cool off).

[Forzah]

Yes im playing the Ranger version. It is imo the far better on.

I'm thinking of TR'ing too to the ranger version since it is a bit more versatile, but I'm a bit afraid of losing 9 cha mod to saves (will lower reflex save by 5 or so).

[Bacab]

I'm thinking of TR'ing too to the ranger version since it is a bit more versatile, but I'm a bit afraid of losing 9 cha mod to saves (will lower reflex save by 5 or so).

Purposely lower you saves now to see how it affects you.

AKA, take off your Superior Parrying item.

If you keep dieing...maybe you don't want the ranger version.
If its pretty much the same...go for it.

[WruntJunior]

Heya,

i dropped IPS for Mithral Body for two reasons:
- Cosmetic because Composite Black Docent looks like garbage
- im Using Manyshot mostly for Bosses and there is ther precise shot better anyway

Might update the OP in a couple of days when i have more time for stuff like that.

Haek

@Meli: Go for it! Kokaisa is joining the Black Army too

I need to finish farming my black scale so I too can look like every other juggernaut. >_>

Gotta pull a +4 or higher dex tome so I can go Ranger Version too.

[Forzah]

Purposely lower you saves now to see how it affects you.

AKA, take off your Superior Parrying item.

If you keep dieing...maybe you don't want the ranger version.
If its pretty much the same...go for it.

Atm my cha is only 23 and I'm saving quite a lot -> should be more or less similar to what I would have as a ranger. However, I prefer to have 55'ish to be able to save even when I get dispelled.

P.s. I think mithral body feat is a bit of a wasted feat compared to IPS; IPS can add a lot of dps situationally.

[Forzah]

I assume this is ranger version and not paladin

On the paladin version you could go for EE ghost-waking and Halcyon boots.

[Viisari]

Purposely lower you saves now to see how it affects you.

AKA, take off your Superior Parrying item.

If you keep dieing...maybe you don't want the ranger version.
If its pretty much the same...go for it.

Well it's rage we're talking about here so he'll probably keep dying as before.

[Bacab]

Atm my cha is only 23 and I'm saving quite a lot -> should be more or less similar to what I would have as a ranger. However, I prefer to have 55'ish to be able to save even when I get dispelled.

P.s. I think mithral body feat is a bit of a wasted feat compared; IPS can add a lot of dps situationally.

Yeah know the feeling...on my Clonk...I have saves in the mid 40s ...can burst them up to 50s (short term burst).

I am not saving super often in EE GH atm.
When I get dispelled...my reflex is garbage (like a 25-30 depending on gear set)

Thinking about re-working my Clonk (18Cleric/2Monk) into a 18Cleric/2Paladin or 17CLR/2PLD/1FTR
*Better saves...will save for Half damage a LOT more often (I heavily invest in CHR on my Cleric for Bursts and stuff)
*Better PRR and slightly better HP

Seems you are in the same boat.

That last 4-6 Reflex is the difference of passing most saves...or just failing them.

[Bacab]

Well it's rage we're talking about here so he'll probably keep dying as before.

LOL took me a second to realize what you were saying...

He mentioned Halcyon boots...I immediately thought "Maybe he means madstone raged?"

Then I looked closer and figured it out lol.

[Forzah]

Yeah know the feeling...on my Clonk...I have saves in the mid 40s ...can burst them up to 50s (short term burst).

I am not saving super often in EE GH atm.
When I get dispelled...my reflex is garbage (like a 25-30 depending on gear set)

Thinking about re-working my Clonk (18Cleric/2Monk) into a 18Cleric/2Paladin or 17CLR/2PLD/1FTR
*Better saves...will save for Half damage a LOT more often (I heavily invest in CHR on my Cleric for Bursts and stuff)
*Better PRR and slightly better HP

Seems you are in the same boat.

That last 4-6 Reflex is the difference of passing most saves...or just failing them.

Well atm reflex is 48 (no shipbuffs, with GH and twisted 6 from magister) and I have some potential to increase it to 55 (+3 cha mod, +1 resistance item, +1 eldritch, +2 dex mod)

[Lurzifer]

In general people shouldnt copy a build 1:1 since it simply wont work that way, my gear setup and my playstyle allow me a different approach than it does for those who just want to play the jugg but maybe on a undergeared 2nd life character.

Taking a direction on the build and then modifying it to your needs is adviseable.

My guildies have the advantage that theyve seen the jugg in action for quite a while now and therefore know how it is played. From 2-3 Videos and the written build and gearsetup u wont be able to copy it to its full potential, even if u got the build and gear at hand, there is still a learning curve.

[Impaqt]

This may be the self Sufficient melee I'm looking for.

I have a WF Ranger on the shelf that was my old Dual Wield Pick build.....

I've got a Deathnip, Min II, Triple Pos, plus a host of others already. I think maybe a TWF Dual Pick version could be fun. I've got a set of tome pages as well so I could pick up a new Deathnip as well.

very cool concept.

[scoobmx]

I have my 2WF version at level 15 now and I like the build. I'd probably assume that it will end up with lower DPS than my fighter in the past life, but I get much better self-healing and utility.

Featwise I chose the ranger version, then dropped completionist, epic toughness, IPS, and PS to get ITWF, GTWF, Khopesh proficiency, and Mithral Body. If you make a build that doesn't require exotic proficiency then of course it would be helpful to have either the extra toughness or precise shot. I've always found though that precise shot doesn't suit my playstyle even though currently it is bugged to give you the bonus anyway.

Will post back again when I'm 25 though right now I'm stuck because Invisibility is broken and I can't farm quests at my level with much efficiency.

I'd be interested in comparing the damage between the 2WF and 2HF versions. Perhaps I'll do a theoretical one sometime in my damage calculator. The 2WF version does benefit a bit more from flat damage adds and procs like the Dream Visor and Pendant of the Stormreaver because of the faster attack speed.

[Matuse]

I've got a set of tome pages as well so I could pick up a new Deathnip as well.

New Deathnip is preposterously good.

[Impaqt]

I have my 2WF version at level 15 now and I like the build. I'd probably assume that it will end up with lower DPS than my fighter in the past life, but I get much better self-healing and utility.

Featwise I chose the ranger version, then dropped completionist, epic toughness, IPS, and PS to get ITWF, GTWF, Khopesh proficiency, and Mithral Body. If you make a build that doesn't require exotic proficiency then of course it would be helpful to have either the extra toughness or precise shot. I've always found though that precise shot doesn't suit my playstyle even though currently it is bugged to give you the bonus anyway.

Hmmm.. THe version I have fleshed out so far retains Epic Toughness, IPS, and PS. I dropped Stunning blow and Completionist for ITWF and GTWF. Seeing if I can get rid of IPS for Sunder...

New Deathnip is preposterously good.

Good enough to blow 2 tome sets on?

[Matuse]

Not 2, no. The Seeker is one of the big draws, and that only needs to be on one of them.

Tome pages are a lot easier to get now than when they only showed up in Litany, but it's still quite a bit more effort than collecting, say, Tapestries.

Go for something like the cutthroat smallblade offhand...the level 12 version (roughly the same as deathnip) has a rapier crit profile and 6% doublestrike.

[Impaqt]

Not 2, no. The Seeker is one of the big draws, and that only needs to be on one of them.

Tome pages are a lot easier to get now than when they only showed up in Litany, but it's still quite a bit more effort than collecting, say, Tapestries.

Go for something like the cutthroat smallblade offhand...the level 12 version (roughly the same as deathnip) has a rapier crit profile and 6% doublestrike.

ooo.. I think I have one of those made already..

[scoobmx]

Hmmm.. THe version I have fleshed out so far retains Epic Toughness, IPS, and PS. I dropped Stunning blow and Completionist for ITWF and GTWF. Seeing if I can get rid of IPS for Sunder...

At some point if WF get body feats for free I can get PS again. And when the level cap raises I can get epic toughness.

Stunning blow seems too useful to drop but only if you can fit +10 and +5 into your gear set. I also have 2 fighter PLs

[Impaqt]

At some point if WF get body feats for free I can get PS again. And when the level cap raises I can get epic toughness.

Stunning blow seems too useful to drop but only if you can fit +10 and +5 into your gear set. I also have 2 fighter PLs

Stunning blow bugs me.. its ALWAYS on timer it seems...Too used to Stunning fist I guess....