The Juggernaut - Prime of the Warforged

[Carpone]

At present I am thinking something like this for U17 gear:

Neck: Pendant of the Stormreaver: Prot +7, Empty Yellow Slot (Fear Imm), or Torc (situational)
Goggles: EE Dream Visor, Empty Yellow (Deathblock)
Hat: +6 Wis of Omniscience
Gloves: EE Nether Gloves
Module: ee Livewood Core (heavy fort, exceptional fort, natural armor +7, +3 ins Con, +3 ins Wis) or Black Dragon Scale w/Heavy Fort
Boots: ee Treads falling shadow (+8 Dex, +3 ins Dex, ghostly)
Bracers: +8 Str of Sup Parry or EE Twisted Shade
Cloak: jeweled cloak: inherent elemental resist 10, Empty Yellow slot (Charisma +7), Empty Green Slot (Resistance +7)
Belt: ee Arkat's Cord: Yellow slot (Con +7), RF, toughness, Empty Green Slot (+14 PRR)
Ring left: Master Artifice (Good Luck +2, +1 exc GLOBE)
Ring right: Double Strike 6% or Ring of Shadows Empty Yellow Slot (+7 STR)
Trinket: +3 ins STR Prowess or Arrowhead (ranged crippling situational only)
Quiver: ee Quiver of Poison

Big issue with me is I don't want to give up Superior Parry. Not available on augment slots (correct me if I am wrong) or any of the new named gear. So looks like I'll be sticking with +8 STR of Sup Parry bracers for EE content, and for EH I'll go with ee Bracers of Twisted Shade and STR on the Ring of Shadows

Why are you slotting Fear Immunity? Greater Heroism provides that already.

Likewise, why slot for Deathblock? Visor of the Flesh Render lasts for 11 minutes as a 16 Artificer. In the case of beholders, there's always PLIS.

I don't understand your choice of head gear (+6 WIS of Omniscience).

No 45 HP Shroud item? Even if you don't "need" 45 HP, I'd consider +3 exceptional Reflex and Enervation Guard.

I don't see the draw of EE Livewood Core. Epic Bladesmark Docent for trash and Black Dragon Docent for high fortification mobs/bosses is more optimal.

If you're not gearing Stunning +10 or Exceptional Mastery +5, then what are you taking in place of Stunning Blow?

[Machination]

Why are you slotting Fear Immunity? Greater Heroism provides that already.

Until it runs out or is debuffed. Yeah I have scrolls too but I like not having to worry about it. May slot something else in, it was just first thought.

Likewise, why slot for Deathblock? Visor of the Flesh Render lasts for 11 minutes as a 16 Artificer. In the case of beholders, there's always PLIS.

PLIS can be depleted and this is not uncommon. I carry three visors, but have run out before, or have been debuffed. I like having the backup on "something".

I don't understand your choice of head gear (+6 WIS of Omniscience).

1. Wis +6 for the +3 will save (this is my only wisdom item)
2. 4% dodge.
3. +1 AC when using sup parry item, +5 AC when not

No 45 HP Shroud item? Even if you don't "need" 45 HP, I'd consider +3 exceptional Reflex and Enervation Guard.

1. Dont' think I need the 45 HP all the time. HP have not been a problem with the build so far when I don't wear my 45 HP GS item.
2. +3 exceptional reflex is nice, so is envervation gaurd (Although I never use it would rather use a smoke item with displace clicky), where would I put it?

I don't see the draw of EE Livewood Core. Epic Bladesmark Docent for trash and Black Dragon Docent for high fortification mobs/bosses is more optimal.

1. I don't have the Bladesmark Docent or scroll or shard or seal. Not going to spend time grinding for it.
2. I have ee LIvewood Core. It is nice having 175% fort. It's consolidated stat (+3 con, +3 wis) give me better saves, more HP in one item. +1 enhancement AC and +6 primal bonus AC compared to bladesmark. Again, big plus is I have it I'm not gonna go grind for Bladesmark.
3. Black Dragon Docent you see I already have there as situational swap.

If you're not gearing Stunning +10 or Exceptional Mastery +5, then what are you taking in place of Stunning Blow?

Precision. I have not missed stunning blow (I never liked it anyway personal preference and playstyle). The way I play the build is running around with bow/xbow manyshot/fucillade building furys and spending them as adrenaline in cleave spamming instances or manyshot instances for burst damage on mobs as an AOE or on bosses to lower HP rather quickly. It works well I am pleased with that outcome. Precision is very useful in some situations, more so to me personally than stunning blow.

[Carpone]

Until it runs out or is debuffed. Yeah I have scrolls too but I like not having to worry about it. May slot something else in, it was just first thought.

I'm confused. Giving up Superior Parrying would be a big issue for you, but you can't be bothered to recast Greater Heroism every 15 minutes?

PLIS can be depleted and this is not uncommon. I carry three visors, but have run out before, or have been debuffed. I like having the backup on "something".

If it's backup gear, then it doesn't need to be slotted in your primary gear.

2. +3 exceptional reflex is nice, so is envervation gaurd (Although I never use it would rather use a smoke item with displace clicky), where would I put it?

Er, why would you permanently wear a Blur item when you have Displacement clickies that last 2 minutes each use?

[Machination]

I'm confused. Giving up Superior Parrying would be a big issue for you, but you can't be bothered to recast Greater Heroism every 15 minutes?

What does Superior Parrying have to do with Greater Heroism? I already stated that GH can be de-buffed, can run out in the heat of a battle, etc. Superior Parrying I don't want to give up because +4 to all saves is worth it to keep it on at all times. I also already stated "might slot something else". What is your suggestion?

Er, why would you permanently wear a Blur item when you have Displacement clickies that last 2 minutes each use?

Because Displacement has a short active time span and it is prone to expiring or getting de-buffed during heat of battle (either bunches of mobs, or against some boss and mobs, etc.). I like having blur on in the meantime while I recast or am trying to get to a save spot or out of the battle to recast. My ping is 500ms from the server, I like having a backup safety net buffer. It is more important to me than "enervation guard" which at 5% proc rate will speed up a quest maybe -0.5% altogether. It is just my personal preference to have a backup. The game is notoriously laggy in the heat of battle and this is just in anticipation of that.....a backup. I don't expect everyone to gear like this, but I like having my blur when displacement runs out or is dis-spelled.

[Dieterstrife]

I don't really see the point in arguing which is better between Sireth, Cleaver, EAGA, and ESOS. DPS isn't that much different between the lot of them, you're likely to never actually notice the difference besides the placebo effect of knowing you're using one or the other.

I mean yeah if you have it, go for it. But I've seen a few people stop using the ESOS in favor of the Cleaver, which stills intrigues me.

[DanteEnFuego]

Which build is recommended for someone without a eSoS, with, let's say, 10 past lives, and an Article life to still go... (See Arbix below in sig)... Slow or fast leveling? Anyone have the full detail leveling plan already put together in The Character Planner?

Thoughts, help and feedback appreciated...

Ps... I'm only 10/10 Bard/Sorc on Arbix for another day... Not a complete gimpiot...

[WruntJunior]

I don't really see the point in arguing which is better between Sireth, Cleaver, EAGA, and ESOS. DPS isn't that much different between the lot of them, you're likely to never actually notice the difference besides the placebo effect of knowing you're using one or the other.

I mean yeah if you have it, go for it. But I've seen a few people stop using the ESOS in favor of the Cleaver, which stills intrigues me.

Main reason people are stopping using eSoS is to stay centered (Sireth) while picking up the planar conflux set, or just pick up the planar conflux set (Cleaver).

[aristarchus1000]

Main reason people are stopping using eSoS is to stay centered (Sireth) while picking up the planar conflux set, or just pick up the planar conflux set (Cleaver).

I still find it somewhat interesting despite all the whining about the raid weapons that occurred on these forums shortly after u14 dropped. These weapons aren't so bad I guess (tongue firmly in cheek).

[WruntJunior]

I still find it somewhat interesting despite all the whining about the raid weapons that occurred on these forums shortly after u14 dropped. These weapons aren't so bad I guess (tongue firmly in cheek).

If all of the updates had been available when u14 launched, people would've thought much better of them. >_>

They're not bad, but they don't beat out eSoS in raw damage - they beat it out through utility, such as limbchopper or +15 PRR.

[Bacab]

Maybe I am wrong...

But if you twist that GMoF thingy that gives bonus W when centered...doesn't that help Sireth a lot?

Plus, I was intrigued with Zen Archery and Bow being Centered (extra W dmg again).

About the ESoS thing...

I won't personally use an ESoS because...I don't personally have an ESoS.

ATM...my future Juggernaut is just a 13 pure arty (with a buncha past lives...none really important other than some Ranger PLs)

My plan...

XP to 20 Pure>>>Get some of the crappy EDs out of the way as a pew pew pew Arty...then once I get to LD...>>>+5 Heart into Ranger Juggernaut.


Other idea...

My cleric "Atropine" has a buncha PL's. Sorc, Bard, Barb, WIZx3, Cleric. And Pretty much all relevant EDs done (level 5 capped) and the lesser ones to level 3.
He also has a buncha great gear (as does my other Arty).

Iono...I like to "focus" on just one toon at a time. Though having a decked out Clonk just seems really helpful (easy to join raids and farm shards/seals)

[knockcocker]

Maybe I am wrong...

But if you twist that GMoF thingy that gives bonus W when centered...doesn't that help Sireth a lot?

Dance of Flowers; +1.5W when centered so yes, nice. It also makes the
Evening Star villager commendation turn-in staff none too shabby (that's
already 2[2d6] * 3). ESoS still has a better damage profile I think due to the
crit. range and multiplier.

Plus, I was intrigued with Zen Archery and Bow being Centered (extra W dmg again).

Where's the extra +W coming from here? I'm pretty sure DoF doesn't work
with Zen Archery - not sure if that will get fixed.

[WruntJunior]

Maybe I am wrong...

But if you twist that GMoF thingy that gives bonus W when centered...doesn't that help Sireth a lot?

Plus, I was intrigued with Zen Archery and Bow being Centered (extra W dmg again).

About the ESoS thing...

I won't personally use an ESoS because...I don't personally have an ESoS.

ATM...my future Juggernaut is just a 13 pure arty (with a buncha past lives...none really important other than some Ranger PLs)

My plan...

XP to 20 Pure>>>Get some of the crappy EDs out of the way as a pew pew pew Arty...then once I get to LD...>>>+5 Heart into Ranger Juggernaut.


Other idea...

My cleric "Atropine" has a buncha PL's. Sorc, Bard, Barb, WIZx3, Cleric. And Pretty much all relevant EDs done (level 5 capped) and the lesser ones to level 3.
He also has a buncha great gear (as does my other Arty).

Iono...I like to "focus" on just one toon at a time. Though having a decked out Clonk just seems really helpful (easy to join raids and farm shards/seals)

It's as easy to join raids as a level 16+ artificer (no one cares what else you can do as long as you have Deadly Weapons and DR Breaking imbues), as artificers tend to be rare for raids (at least on Thelanis outside of channel runs). In addition, for shards and seals, farming on EH/EN (unless you have a super group, EE is less efficient farming) is easy.

At the end of the day, I don't enjoy playing a divine anymore, though. :P To be honest, you'd be best off having both an artificer available and a clonk, though.

Dance of Flowers; +1.5W when centered so yes, nice. It also makes the
Evening Star villager commendation turn-in staff none too shabby (that's
already 2[2d6] * 3). ESoS still has a better damage profile I think due to the
crit. range and multiplier.



Where's the extra +W coming from here? I'm pretty sure DoF doesn't work
with Zen Archery - not sure if that will get fixed.

It's not fixed. There would be a practical party on the forums if it were - we monkchers are many, and even our epic feat doesn't work (Combat Archery). :P

Also, to my knowledge, nothing beats eSoS for raw damage - however, utility and survivability are also very important now, and in all honesty one of the highest-dps weapons for EE is a Cormyrian challenge weapon (which I will be farming until I get the right one), due to life stealing generating on them.

[sandypaws]

It's not fixed. There would be a practical party on the forums if it were - we monkchers are many, and even our epic feat doesn't work (Combat Archery). :P

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Confirmed. My champagne is still sobbing in the cellar, yearning to be set free.

[Maxallu]

Ok I need to decide between cleaver and sireth. I refuse to grind out 30 coh.

The op switched to cleaver so I have to trust his judgment. More damage is more damage so maybe that is the way to go.

With Sireth you can stay centered and twist in dance of flowers for 4.5d10(t3) and the benefits of the monk stances.

Cleaver is 3(2d8) so it is slightly ahead damage wise.

Am I silly for wanting to use sireth? Seems a shame to not be centered, I guess it is only tier one monk stances.

[Forzah]

Ok I need to decide between cleaver and sireth. I refuse to grind out 30 coh.

The op switched to cleaver so I have to trust his judgment. More damage is more damage so maybe that is the way to go.

With Sireth you can stay centered and twist in dance of flowers for 4.5d10(t3) and the benefits of the monk stances.

Cleaver is 3(2d8) so it is slightly ahead damage wise.

Am I silly for wanting to use sireth? Seems a shame to not be centered, I guess it is only tier one monk stances.

Air stance would add 7.5% more damage, so I think the difference between the two is negligible in the end.

[OsOscarius]

Air stance would add 7.5% more damage, so I think the difference between the two is negligible in the end.

I don't think the attack speed stack with haste. The 2.5% doublestrike chance does increase DPS though.
I guess it's a choice between some minor utility (stances+sirith) or raw damage (cleaver). I think either would work fine.

Personally, if I ever get my jugger up to cap, I will start out with an EAGA. My gimpy barb got the TR treatment and that is what he has.

[MrWindupBird]

Ok I need to decide between cleaver and sireth. I refuse to grind out 30 coh.

The op switched to cleaver so I have to trust his judgment. More damage is more damage so maybe that is the way to go.

With Sireth you can stay centered and twist in dance of flowers for 4.5d10(t3) and the benefits of the monk stances.

Cleaver is 3(2d8) so it is slightly ahead damage wise.

Am I silly for wanting to use sireth? Seems a shame to not be centered, I guess it is only tier one monk stances.

It's worth noting that cleaves (including Momentum Swing, Lay Waste) currently do not proc glancing blows when using a qstaff. When using Legendary Dreadnought, this is a pretty significant hit to Sireth. It's been bug reported many times, but I wouldn't bet on it being fixed in U17.

[blerkington]

Hi,

The juggernaut is a great build, and it seems like it gets better after each level-up.

A few things I noticed while levelling through the heroic levels were:

The reflex save may not be high enough to provide great protection against spellcasters on elite or against elite traps. This can be worked around with buffs and good gameplay.

Some important buffs (especially Tenser's when you first get it) have a very short duration without the extend feat. That means a lot of re-casting of those spells.

Self healing is a little weak before you get the reconstruct spell, due to not having any metamagic feats other than quicken. While levelling, taking maximise and swapping it out once you get reconstruct helps a lot.

Related to the point above, slotting an item which increases spellpower for your repair spells would help too. I wasn't able to find a way to do this without sacrificing something else important because the gearing is quite dense.

Those are all little things, though, and I'm sure we'll see a lot more of them around as word spreads. Quite a few people I know are either currently trying or about to try one soon.

Thanks.

[emptysands]

The reflex save may not be high enough to provide great protection against spellcasters on elite or against elite traps. This can be worked around with buffs and good gameplay.

Staff+Water stance can also help.

[blerkington]

Staff+Water stance can also help.

Hi,

Good advice, thank you.