Best way to self heal on a Barb?

[T_ward7a]

I am just wondering how the majority of people self heal on barbs? I know lots of people use silver flame pots and this is something I might eventually work towards but this character isn't on the top of my priority list at the moment so I am wondering about other options. I am nearing 100% on heal scrolls but being raged makes it really difficulty to self heal with scrolls.

So basically I am just wondering how people prefer to self heal on barbs? Be it twists, heal scrolls, etc...

Thanks.

[Qhualor]

dont know about epic levels and what to twist. ive been on a tr train for months working on past lives for my barb.

for heroics i can say to invest in heal amp. unfortunately, pretty much have to resort to csw and sf pots. i use the pouch of jerky from DQ2 raid or could craft a GS regen item. with really good heal amp, you can regen 4 hp every 15 seconds. its not much compared to the incoming damage you can receive, but its something.

ive never been a fan of umd on barbs because you have to constantly dismiss rage, which is the biggest dps thing about barbs. pretty much better off building a fighter with umd or just never raging. you could go helf and get cleric dilly for umd to wand whip. not sure about scrolls.

ive always gotten along good enough with csw pots and sf pots. when i solo i bring a hire. not a big deal. i do things to lessen the damage intake like killing hard and fast and using tactics. i have all sorts of clickies i can use to help. it can be rough at times, but ive learned to play smarter with limited resources at my disposal and dont regret not investing in umd on my barb. personally, i wouldnt play a barb if i wanted umd on her.

[InkSlingers]

Well I can understand you wanting to be self suffcient but the primary role of a Barb is to destroy, maim, and murder..
As stated above me, umd on a barb may be something elitists do? As for me and the advise I've been given is to "play my role". And that in itself is a killing machine. As a barb you'll be able to solo some quests here and there but realistically if you're doing content that is at your lvl or above on elite... There's no shame in using a Hire, SF pots, etc...
It's part of the game. Tanking is another subject. I feel that a barbarian should be all about creating constant damage and soaking up some as well. Keeps the party alive. You should be the first into battle in most situations taking some punishment and dealing it at the same time, all the while your support classes will be next in line to help take down your enemies! If you're soloing and you can't stay alive, you've either have a bad build or too cool to use a hire... No disrespect intended. GOt me thinking about all those points you've dumped into umd on a Barb makes me wonder where the rest of your points went

[DrakHar]

Well I can understand you wanting to be self suffcient but the primary role of a Barb is to destroy, maim, and murder..
As stated above me, umd on a barb may be something elitists do? As for me and the advise I've been given is to "play my role". And that in itself is a killing machine. As a barb you'll be able to solo some quests here and there but realistically if you're doing content that is at your lvl or above on elite... There's no shame in using a Hire, SF pots, etc...
It's part of the game. Tanking is another subject. I feel that a barbarian should be all about creating constant damage and soaking up some as well. Keeps the party alive. You should be the first into battle in most situations taking some punishment and dealing it at the same time, all the while your support classes will be next in line to help take down your enemies! If you're soloing and you can't stay alive, you've either have a bad build or too cool to use a hire... No disrespect intended. GOt me thinking about all those points you've dumped into umd on a Barb makes me wonder where the rest of your points went

UMD isn't something "elitists" do. It's efficient, sensible, and you barely give up any DPS by splashing 2 rogue. You get evasion, UMD, and sneak attack damage in return. It's simple - don't rage when you need to be scrolling. DO rage when you have a hireling or party healer. Now you're covered OP.

Barbarians aren't the be all end all of DPS anyhow - especially not in heroic content. Doing one thing slightly better is not as good as being able to keep yourself alive - especially when you have no silver flame pots. Once you get those, pure barb is slightly better.

And if you want a good heal amp, you need to be human or half-elf, pretty much, otherwise you're waiting until 12 (minimum!) for 10%, and probably 18 for 20 (unless you put it on DT) and 20 for 30.

[T_ward7a]

I guess I should have prefaced this with explaining my experience of the game so this is my fault that my point wasn't understood. I don't have any problems running anything or staying alive, but I do prefer to be able to heal myself when things go downhill or even when soloing. My first way of healing is obviously to kill things before they can hurt me. I know how to play a barb and build toons I was mainly just looking for options on healing that maybe I hadn't thought of.

I appreciate the ideas posted above.

[nni]

Silver flame pots. It will blow your mind how much more survivable you become .

[ElbionTcob]

UMD gets ruled out because you need to Rage...

Pots. Lots of Pots. Silver Flame later, CSW for early stuff. And as high of heal amp as you can.

[nomaddog]

The only ones I can think of that'd be good to possibly twist in would be Fast Healing out of Fury of the Wild or Healing Spring from Shiradi's.

[HungarianRhapsody]

I am just wondering how the majority of people self heal on barbs?

Post an LFM where you only light the Cleric/FvS/Wizard/Sorc/Bard/Arti buttons. I remember being told that this was the correct way to play a Barbarian.

[goodspeed]

You need amp. Lots and lots and lots and....heh ya you guessed it, more heal amp!

Some people like to even go helf with monk dili to stack that much more amp. Though you should have 30 in your glove slot, 20 on a tod ring, or bracers maybe, then the ship dude. Could go touched armor though that kind of kills a really important spot for ya tactics (stunning 10) or even just more dps wise.

Then if you chose a race like human or helf you could get the extra human healing amp, if helf you get the human amp, as well as the monk healing amp from the dili.

Anyway what all this amp does is it turns a crappy heal into an ok heal. A good heal into a great heal. And a cleric/anyone's heal into a your hp just went from a quarter to full.


Leveling wise, idk I think id just say the hell with rage after lv 12. Unless I had pots from a past life. Then again id be nice if those things stacked like any other **** pot.

But as a barb, it's silver flame pots. Always. You need them. They're not a luxury, they are very literally a necessity to survive. That and learning to go through buffs at the end or before each rage. Like any umd buffs, gear click buffs, GS buffs like DISPLACEMENT, stoneskin, haste, all of that.

Those will also help to cut down on the need but, even still, ya gots to have the silver pots. Otherwise your like a fleshy wizard without any means of heals. And much like the wizard that isn't a wf, or helf, it usually never turns out well. Because hirelings are ********, and humans will more often then not jog past you without a second thought using their awesome powers to evaporate things as a god.

[Zerkul]

First of all Build for as much Healing Amplification you can.

Till you get access to Silver Flame Healing Potions carry always Healers Hirelings and Guild Vendor Cure Serious Potions. When you do your favor use ALWAYS Silver Flame Healing Potions when possible: just be careful cause these potions debuffs your saves, so try always to get rid of all casters around before drinking one.

Depending on your heal amplification score your Silver Flame Pots will heal you from 250 points to even 700 for some very particular builds with Paladin Pastlives.

[SylvanPhoenix]

For heroic content under 15th I found hirelings were the best bang for my buck. I would insist that all groups I ran in either had a healer or left a spot open for my hireling. I always had full stacks of pots of all kinds so that I could use them if needed (SF pots first, CSW pots if I couldn't use SF pots). I'd recommend 2 stacks for SF pots or more if you drink them fast. I did find that once I hit necro 4 and vale that the hirelings just died too quickly to be useful. I tried to run with at least one healer PC.

For epic content, I find that in many EH runs healing spring is good enough. I don't bother with fast healing in Fury as I want more DPS from that line. Plus it seemed that when things got rough fast healing was never enough to make a difference. Typically I have at least one healer PC with the group so I don't worry about hirelings. If I do need a hireling I still use Albus. I found the few epic hirelings to have dumber AI.

Cheers,
Sylvan

PS: Max healing amp as mentioned above. Getting both 30% and 20% gear is pretty easy once you hit 20th. I still use the Purple Dragon Knight Gauntlets and have 20% slotted on my TOD ring. If I really need it I can put 10% bracers on but honestly the 30 and 20 items feel like it's enough.

[zwiebelring]

I am just wondering how the majority of people self heal on barbs? I know lots of people use silver flame pots and this is something I might eventually work towards but this character isn't on the top of my priority list at the moment so I am wondering about other options. I am nearing 100% on heal scrolls but being raged makes it really difficulty to self heal with scrolls.

So basically I am just wondering how people prefer to self heal on barbs? Be it twists, heal scrolls, etc...

Thanks.

My Barb twisted 2 Healing Spring uses and has access to SF pot.s But since I don't like being slowed or -10 to ability scores, I use them as an emergency only and then I only use Lesser SF pot.s. Having 30% and 20% amp. from items, I heal for about 170 hp with every pot (ship shrine included). Healing Springs ticks for more in average and I have never regret, twisting it. Of course, I sacrifice very nice dps features from other destinies.

And for all SF pot.s addicts, I warn the OP. SF pot.s as main healing source is a bigger plat sink than anything else. Therefor I prefer Healing Spring. In epic elite content you will need pot.s and some dedicated burst healing anyway, in ehard Healing Spring is enough, most of the time.

[SirTeo]

My Barb twisted 2 Healing Spring uses and has access to SF pot.s But since I don't like being slowed or -10 to ability scores, I use them as an emergency only and then I only use Lesser SF pot.s. Having 30% and 20% amp. from items, I heal for about 170 hp with every pot (ship shrine included). Healing Springs ticks for more in average and I have never regret, twisting it. Of course, I sacrifice very nice dps features from other destinies.

And for all SF pot.s addicts, I warn the OP. SF pot.s as main healing source is a bigger plat sink than anything else. Therefor I prefer Healing Spring. In epic elite content you will need pot.s and some dedicated burst healing anyway, in ehard Healing Spring is enough, most of the time.

I guess it's enough with healing spring and normal vendor pots+ good amp for e-n e-h content if you dont go full ****** mode and go full frenzy berserk etc and that screw up a lot of your dps, I would not play with my barbarian unless in raid with solid healers so I can go full ****** dps mode and enjoy good barbarian dps and not dump dps and still have a harsh time healing yourself, get another class and play with when you dont have a healbot, so only in raids... this is the sad fact about barbarians, sry.

[zwiebelring]

I guess it's enough with healing spring and normal vendor pots+ good amp for e-n e-h content if you dont go full ****** mode and go full frenzy berserk etc and that screw up a lot of your dps, I would not play with my barbarian unless in raid with solid healers so I can go full ****** dps mode and enjoy good barbarian dps and not dump dps and still have a harsh time healing yourself, get another class and play with when you dont have a healbot, so only in raids... this is the sad fact about barbarians, sry.

Normal vendor pot.s are not sufficent as emergency healing. Topping off is the maximum use with Cure Serious W. pot.s.

If you exploit dungeon scaling you can solo ehard quests with ease using Healing Spring (well ok, you still cannot charge into every crowd and have to act with strategy). That's what I did. Epic elite demands more out of your gear setup than just heal amp and Healing Spring. But till now, my experiences with that twist was not bad at all. What dps did I sacrifice? Sense Weakness comes to mind. My current dmg record is at 11,170 dmg crit. on a stunned mob with ideal conditions (STR 70+, MB maximum stacks asoasf). For ehard, that number is overkill in any way. For epic elite Sense Weakness can make the cut.

There are many ways to be self sufficient and get hp back after a fight but SF pot.s and Healing Spring are the only ones, which are independant of rage.

I know giving up a tiny bit of DPS for a massive load of survivability is blasphemy to most barbs but consider that silver flame pots DO reduce DPS and make you significantly vulnerable.

Survivability trumps full reatard dps, in my opinion, and since I use the LD destiny and not FoTW I can perma trip 2-3 mobs due to Lay Waste + Momentum Swing combo. Combine that with a Freezing Ice weapon/guard and you can neutralize mobs very efficiently. But I think, the discussion is not about self healing, instead it is about incombat healing. That won't be reliable, if you have to dismiss rage. You do not have to with Healing Spring or SF pot.s, though.

[Mastikator]

An alternative to silver flame pots is to splash rogue, give up capstone for evasion, UMD, some SA and maybe trap skills. It's what I did, was able to UMD heal scrolls around level 13. I know giving up a tiny bit of DPS for a massive load of survivability is blasphemy to most barbs but consider that silver flame pots DO reduce DPS and make you significantly vulnerable.

[unbongwah]

An alternative to silver flame pots is to splash rogue, give up capstone for evasion, UMD, some SA and maybe trap skills. It's what I did, was able to UMD heal scrolls around level 13. I know giving up a tiny bit of DPS for a massive load of survivability is blasphemy to most barbs but consider that silver flame pots DO reduce DPS and make you significantly vulnerable.

Another option is HE barb w/cleric or FvS dilly. But the real drawback is you can't use wands or scrolls while Raged.

[DarkForte]

If you're not getting SF pots, you're not going to be self-healing. That's the unfortunate truth. Healing spring, cool as it may be, won't be more than 3 uses. Cocoon takes spellpoints to use (which you won't have plenty of) and will be lacking for longer quests (if you can even use it when raged, which I'm not sure of). UMD is right out, since you want to be raged.

Healing for 400+ HP on a barb makes a gigantic difference in self-reliance. It brought my barb from unplayable to just gimp

[Nitesco]

Albus Gladwin.