Dwarven Ax as racial weapon

[SofiaNRage]

Why re Dwarven axes not racial weapons for dwarves? An Elven monk or druid at least get proficiency in long swords, whether or not they can use them without negating their class specific abilities I don't know uncentering of the monk or voiding magical affinity for the druid, haven't tested, but they at least get the proficiency.
Am I missing something?
A dual wielding dwarven ax rogue sounds like it could be an interesting build. I know I could spend the feat to get the weapon proficiency but why should I have to when my elven rogue gets long swords proficiency for free?

[cdbd3rd]

Any Dwarf that gets "Martial" weapon proficency get D. Axes included with that.

That's because the core rule is stated as "Dwarven axes are considered Martial weapons for dwarves." ...or something like that.


As for your questions in there - D'Axe will uncenter Monks. <edited out wrong intel. See post 11 below.>

[rikkitikkitarvi]

My Dwarf gets dwarven axe for free. Maybe you are just special.

[Eladiun]

My Dwarf gets dwarven axe for free. Maybe you are just special.

Fighter, Paladin, Barbarian get it for free because they get Martial Weapons for free. Classes that do not get Martial Weapons for free do not get Dwarven Axe proficiency.

[Eelpout]

Just to pile on here, I think the rule states that Dwarves treat D-axes as Martial instead of Exotic weapons. As long as you have a level in a class that gets the entire line of Martial weapons free, you will get D-Axe free. So if you want to play a Rogue or Cleric and don't want to spend a feat, taking a level of Fighter, Ranger, Barb, or Pally are your only other options.

Luck

[Bekki]

Any Dwarf that gets "Martial" weapon proficency get D. Axes included with that.

That's because the core rule is stated as "Dwarven axes are considered Martial weapons for dwarves." ...or something like that.


As for your questions in there - D'Axe will uncenter Monks, and Peeve off the Druidic gods.

Fighter, Paladin, Barbarian get it for free because they get Martial Weapons for free. Classes that do not get Martial Weapons for free do not get Dwarven Axe proficiency.

This is pretty much the case.

"A Dwarf receives the Dwarven Axe as a Martial weapon instead of the exotic weapon."
Any class that receives ALL the Martial weapons as a class ability will also receive the Dwarven axe feat as a bonus feat if the character is a dwarf.

These classes (as stated before.) are Barbarian, fighter, Paladin and Rranger only.
All other classes (or races) must take the dwarven axe as an exotic weapon.

That about sums it up.

[OverlordOfRats]

How it currently works has been stated above.

But, would it be bad to change it to all dwarves being able to use them like elves and longswords?

[pyntsized]

How it currently works has been stated above.

But, would it be bad to change it to all dwarves being able to use them like elves and longswords?

Would it make sense for a wizard to inherently know how to use a huge ass one-handed axe just because they are a dwarf? No. It only makes sense for someone trained in semi-advanced weaponry to be able to use it. And elves and longswords are different. Longswords are martial, so elves treat them as simple weapons. And all classes get simple weapon proficiency.

[the613]

Would it make sense for a wizard to inherently know how to use a huge ass one-handed axe just because they are a dwarf? No. It only makes sense for someone trained in semi-advanced weaponry to be able to use it. And elves and longswords are different. Longswords are martial, so elves treat them as simple weapons. And all classes get simple weapon proficiency.

EDIT: Just to make sure it is clear, quoting as my post pretty much says the same thing. Also, added to my post.

I think the idea is racial weapons are "downgraded" for that race. So racial martial weapons become simple weapons, while racial exotic weapons become martial weapons. Sure, the Dwarven Axe is a dwarf weapon, but do you think that every dwarf commoner holds one and gets training? No! Those that go in to the dwarven military (fighters, barbarians, ect) will be trained in it though, due to it being the weapon of choice for dwarves.

[CaptainSpacePony]

I'd like to add a couple points:

Most dwarves can use DAs via master's touch (M'sT). The spell is available for wizards, sorcs, bards, and artificers, and has a LONG duration. That leaves rogues, monks, clerics, druids, and Fvs out. Rogues and artificers have umd as a class skill so could easily scroll M'sT. Monks should not want to use DA's for centering reasons. That leaves only the 3 divine classes out in the cold. Of these, druids have the least use for DAs. Druids spend most of their time out of their native form. Elemental forms are used for caster mode (so weapon type is generally unimportant) and animal forms disregard many weapon properties.

Many of us have long advocated suggestions related to adding more than 4 religious enhancement lines for divine characters which open up a weapon proficency for Clerics and FvS. If a dwarven option were introduced that would allow a easy option for clerics and FvS to use DAs.

So in summary, Let us all pray to the dwarven gods for enhancements that don't discriminate against clerics and FvS.

EDIT--correctly changed artificers to those that can cast M'sT.

[azrael4h]

As for your questions in there ...and Peeve off the Druidic gods.

Nope. My Half-Elf Test Druid makes due with the named D-Axe out of Spinner as her Holy weapon. Druids do not break their oaths with metal weapons, nor with non-proficient weapons. Only metal shields and armor.

[Uska]

The classes that should get dwarves axes if the character is a dwarf already do this is a nonissue!

[FranOhmsford]

I'd like to add a couple points:

Most dwarves can use DAs via master's touch (M'sT). The spell is available for wizards, sorcs, and bards and has a LONG duration. That leaves rogues, monks, artificers, clerics, druids, and Fvs out. Rogues and artificers have umd as a class skill so could easily scroll M'sT. Monks should not want to use DA's for centering reasons. That leaves only the 3 divine classes out in the cold. Of these, druids have the least use for DAs. Druids spend most of their time out of their native form. Elemental forms are used for caster mode (so weapon type is generally unimportant) and animal forms disregard many weapon properties.

Many of us have long advocated suggestions related to adding more than 4 religious enhancement lines for divine characters which open up a weapon proficency for Clerics and FvS. If a dwarven option were introduced that would allow a easy option for clerics and FvS to use DAs.

So in summary, Let us all pray to the dwarven gods for enhancements that don't discriminate against clerics and FvS.

I'd much prefer Dwarven Clerics {yes and Souls} to be given Warhammer personally.

Keep the D-Axes for the Fighters/Barbs/Pallys and Rangers.

Light Hammer should be a Simple Weapon for Dwarves {and Halflings actually} - Might help it get used a bit more.

Light Pick should likewise be a Simple Weapon for Dwarves {and Gnomes if they ever get added in to DDO}.

[Gizeh]

I haven't tried this myself, but at least in theory Master's Touch (artificer/bard/sorcerer/wizard 1) should grant dwarves d'axe proficiency (d'axe counts as martial weapon for dwarves, and Master's Touch grants proficiency with an equipped simple or martial weapon).

[cdbd3rd]

....Druids do not break their oaths with metal weapons, nor with non-proficient weapons. Only metal shields and armor.

*facepalm*
Of course, that's right.
Editting my post now. Thnx for catching that.

[dotHackSign]

I'll support this as long as I can claim my toon doesn't know his father and can therefore use a bastard sword

[pyntsized]

I'll support this as long as I can claim my toon doesn't know his father and can therefore use a bastard sword

LOL.
So then, can I claim I'm a farmer and therefore use kamas because they are like mini-scythes?

[Gabrael]

I'd like to add a couple points:

Most dwarves can use DAs via master's touch (M'sT). The spell is available for wizards, sorcs, and bards and has a LONG duration. That leaves rogues, monks, artificers, clerics, druids, and Fvs out. Rogues and artificers have umd as a class skill so could easily scroll M'sT. Monks should not want to use DA's for centering reasons. That leaves only the 3 divine classes out in the cold. Of these, druids have the least use for DAs. Druids spend most of their time out of their native form. Elemental forms are used for caster mode (so weapon type is generally unimportant) and animal forms disregard many weapon properties.

Many of us have long advocated suggestions related to adding more than 4 religious enhancement lines for divine characters which open up a weapon proficency for Clerics and FvS. If a dwarven option were introduced that would allow a easy option for clerics and FvS to use DAs.

So in summary, Let us all pray to the dwarven gods for enhancements that don't discriminate against clerics and FvS.

i tought artificer could inscribe/learn master's touch?

[CaptainSpacePony]

i tought artificer could inscribe/learn master's touch?

I believe you are correct. Nice catch.

[honkuimushi]

It's mostly been covered, but dwarven axes are exotic weapons and, strickly speaking, better than long swords, which are martial weapons. If you want a Rogue who uses dwarven axes, you can take the feat or splash at least 1 level of Barbarian, Fighter, Ranger or Paladin.