Superior Two Weapon Fighting

[DethTrip]

I propose to create a Superior Two Weapon Fighting epic feat. Must of course have takin GTWF and have a base 21 dex. The feat itself would provide an additional 20% offhand proc for a 100% chance to proc an offhand attack. Maybe throw in a +5 bonus to AC while weilding two weapons. Thoughts, ideas?

[Arkat]

Sounds ok to me.

The +5 to AC bonus should be typed differently than the +2 to AC you get when taking the Two Weapon Defense feat though.

[shadereaper33]

The problem with this suggestion is that it utterly guts the tempest PrE, which grants an additional 10% offhand proc chance at tiers 1 and 2, for a total of 100% offhand chance at level 12. Perhaps, when they do the enhancement overhaul, they can change the bonus for tempest 1 and 2, and then implement this, but to add the feat into the game as is would just be another kick in the teeth of rangers.

[Uska]

The problem with this suggestion is that it utterly guts the tempest PrE, which grants an additional 10% offhand proc chance at tiers 1 and 2, for a total of 100% offhand chance at level 12. Perhaps, when they do the enhancement overhaul, they can change the bonus for tempest 1 and 2, and then implement this, but to add the feat into the game as is would just be another kick in the teeth of rangers.

Not really rangers can get to that point easier and earlier

[Missing_Minds]

A superior 2 hander feat should also be created then.

[Lonnbeimnech]

The problem with this suggestion is that it utterly guts the tempest PrE, which grants an additional 10% offhand proc chance at tiers 1 and 2, for a total of 100% offhand chance at level 12. Perhaps, when they do the enhancement overhaul, they can change the bonus for tempest 1 and 2, and then implement this, but to add the feat into the game as is would just be another kick in the teeth of rangers.

Let rangers hit 120% offhand proc then. *shrugs*

[the613]

I would say either use your current suggestion and then change tempest to give additional offhand procs, or have Superior Two Weapon Fighting give you an additional offhand proc.

[Inouk]

There is so much room for other ways to implement this to not step on the toes of rangers. How about making the benefit that cleave/GC/whirlwind attacks proc off hand attacks? And/or make it so that you get full str bonus to off hand? And/or make it so that you deal splash damage on TWF attacks? Personally I'd like to see Tempest III implement any of the above instead of what it does now, but if it implemented one of the above, and this feat implemented another of the above then that would be sweet and put TWF back in the mix for epic levels.

[DethTrip]

and put TWF back in the mix for epic levels.

This was my thinking. Give TWF a little boost because as of right now, THF is putting out a lot more dps. I'm just hoping to give the devs a few ideas for them to use to balance things a little.

[noinfo]

The problem with this suggestion is that it utterly guts the tempest PrE, which grants an additional 10% offhand proc chance at tiers 1 and 2, for a total of 100% offhand chance at level 12. Perhaps, when they do the enhancement overhaul, they can change the bonus for tempest 1 and 2, and then implement this, but to add the feat into the game as is would just be another kick in the teeth of rangers.

Mixed feelings on this. The fact that they would have to have 21 dex is something meaning 16 with +5 tome where now most look at 13 or so dex with tomes. Rangers don't have the dex requirement to get it, though rangers should get their pre revisted now anyway.

Rangers have been kicked to death anyway until the enhancement pass.