Make every BtC raid Loot BtA/BtC on equip

[nibel]

What says on the title. Many people already throw this idea around, just keeping it alive.

Reason is simple: Doing this, it allow us to switch characters to run the raids with the characters we need, while getting loot for the characters we want. The most common scenario is when the raid need healers, but no one want to switch because they need item X with their rogue/fighter/wizard/whatever.

EDIT for clarification: Bound to Account on Acquire, Bound to Character on Equip

[Jasparion]

I doubt too many people are saying Raid loot should be bound on equip. Raids are meant to be the pinnacle of any MMO and the rewards are meant to be the best in the game. You really think the loot should be freely available on the Auction House?

As big a -1 as is possible on this for me.

In part because the next step would be making it available in the DDO Store.

[nibel]

I doubt too many people are saying Raid loot should be bound on equip. Raids are meant to be the pinnacle of any MMO and the rewards are meant to be the best in the game. You really think the loot should be freely available on the Auction House?

You can't sell BtA items on the Auction House.

[Jay203]

perhaps when people are more willing to share, i'll sign
as of right now, naaah

[CaptainSpacePony]

Not signed. BtA or BtCoE are both merely means of twinking. Most raid loot is BtCoA so that you MUST COMPLETE THE RAID TO GET THE GEAR. WAI seems fine with me.

[Niv-mizzet]

I like it. BTA on acquire so you DO have to run the raid yourself. BTC on equip so you can bring the toon that helps the party more, over the toon that wants the loot more.

There IS a downside, in that you will almost never see DESIRABLE raid loot for roll again. If they were to do this, I would be incredibly disappointed in the devs if they didn't also FINALLY make 20th lists full reward lists.

[Jasparion]

Not signed. BtA or BtCoE are both merely means of twinking. Most raid loot is BtCoA so that you MUST COMPLETE THE RAID TO GET THE GEAR. WAI seems fine with me.

Exactly.

Even with buying your way around raid timers, you still have to actually run the raid if you want the loot.

BTCoE people would just skip the raid and buy from the AH. BTA raids would have 10xWiz/Sorc and 2xCleric/FvS for every run and then Shared Bank trade the loot to their other toons.

[Cauthey]

No.

/not signed.

If your X toon wants the loot, make that toon work for it.


Not to mention - changing the binding status on existing items erodes the efforts of those who have already raided for said items. No.

[Jasparion]

Not to mention - changing the binding status on existing items erodes the efforts of those who have already raided for said items. No.

Im not that concerned about this part. Nerfs and buffs to items happen.

What I am concerned about is people getting BiS loot on toons which didnt earn it.

I think random loot should be unbound, dungeon named loot should be BTA, raid named loot should be BTC. A simple system.

[shadereaper33]

Personally, I fully support the OP's suggestion. I can't understand the arguments of "if you want it, you have to earn it" as you would still be running the raid. The only difference is that instead of waiting 15 minutes for a healer or other desirable build to join the raid, someone could simply switch over to that build to help the raid and still have a shot at getting the gear they want/need for the right characters. This is one of the biggest draws to shroud in my opinion, as I can run it with multiple characters and eventually get what I want on who I want. I am still running the raid, I am still "earning" the loot, it would just make it easier to fill the group and actually play the game.

/signed

[Cyiwin]

Definitely,

/signed

How are you not earning it because your playing a different class? In that case raid loot shouldn't carry over when you TR?

[Andoris]

/not signed as I like the social/team aspect of putting loot up for roll (which would go away if this was implemented)

However, I could get behind the removal of lock-out mechanics so that you could form a balanced group for Raids that only have gear for one or two classes (ie allow swapping at the end)

[Bloodhaven]

/not signed as I like the social/team aspect of putting loot up for roll (which would go away if this was implemented)

This was the exact argument for NOT adding TR to the game. I still see Popular raid items put up for roll.

Exactly.

Even with buying your way around raid timers, you still have to actually run the raid if you want the loot.

BTCoE people would just skip the raid and buy from the AH.

BTA with BTC on Equip. I dont see an option that allows the Auction house in there.

Personally, I fully support the OP's suggestion. I can't understand the arguments of "if you want it, you have to earn it" as you would still be running the raid. The only difference is that instead of waiting 15 minutes for a healer or other desirable build to join the raid, someone could simply switch over to that build to help the raid and still have a shot at getting the gear they want/need for the right characters. This is one of the biggest draws to shroud in my opinion, as I can run it with multiple characters and eventually get what I want on who I want. I am still running the raid, I am still "earning" the loot, it would just make it easier to fill the group and actually play the game
/signed

I agree with shadereaper33

/signed

[Jasparion]

BTA with BTC on Equip. I dont see an option that allows the Auction house in there.

I think it was clarified after I posted. I assumed he mean BTA or BTCoE, not that the item would be BTA until you equipped it at which point it would be BTC.

I would be amazed if the DDO technology even allowed for this. Is it currently in the game?

And no, you are not earning it for your character if you do it on another character.

[Enoach]

Here are the problem I see with BtAoA which becomes BtCoE for RAID gear, and thus the reason I won't sign for such a changes

1. It allows a character to obtain an item without ever having participated in the raid (extreme case)
2. It allows a character multiple chances per account to obtain an item. This gives VIP and those that have purchased multiple character slots a distinct advantage besides the Raid By Pass tool.
3. It is another nail in the coffin of PuG Raids and Community Cooperation

And this is from a person that has pulled a Sword of Shadows on every toon (some 2+ times) but the one he wants it on and I've been running the quest off-and-on since it came out.

[Gkar]

I'm for having less binding, and especially less BtC, but I think the raid loot idea takes it too far.

The exception of course is where its not an item, but only an ingredient for an item. Then I have no problem with BtA (ala Shroud), or even unbound, as long as there is ONE ingredient that is BtC (once again, ala Shroud)

I actually think that Shroud has the best balance between bound/unbound in the game and all raids rewards should work along those lines.

[Chaos000]

When the game first started all items were Bound to character the bound to account was a new invention. (Tangleroot, waterworks)

BtA BtC on equip is not game breaking for a lot of the straight BtC items (red fens, chrono, etc.)

If not BtC on equip initially I would hope to see an in game or in store mechanism to do just that.

Look for those that argue items won't be put up for roll, TR mechanism does not prevent this from occurring people still pass items because they already have multiples of these items having been playing since the inception of this game

[Musouka]

/not signed

Not really going to give reason, because I don't feel like being analyzed.

[Anaxx]

I'm all for this idea. I don't understand why people are so outraged about this and compare it to selling raid items in the store. It's the same person's butt sitting in the same chair playing the game; the only difference is the character they log on as.

Let us be team players. Let us bring whatever character is best for the group. I have a geared pure cleric healbot who sits around not running raids, not because I don't like healing, but because I don't want any gear on him--I want it on my other guy. And meanwhile I'm sitting in a raid with a bunch of other players waiting for a healer to join.

Next time you're sitting in a raid that's 10/12 or 11/12 full and waiting for a specific role, ask yourself if you'd rather be playing than waiting around. Because letting people bring whatever character the group needed without giving up their own incentive to run the raid (the gear) could certainly help speed up raid forming times.

[Jasparion]

And when most raids become "Farming - Wiz/Sorc/FvS/Cleric only"...

Why bother allowing anything else to come along which will only slow the group down?