Big thank you to all the Khyber Barbarians - I lost the Bet

[Enoach]

So Friday night I took a bet that I couldn't solo heal 11 Barbarians Level 20+ through an Elite Shroud. Barbarian Had to show as the primary.

I lost the bet - not because we tried an failed but because after 3 hours starting at 8:30 PM EST on Friday night.
(Thanks to those three that joined)

In that time I got 3 Khyber Barbarians and a bunch of mixed comments (2 Pure and one 11/8/1 Barb/Ftr/Bard AA)


Some clerics/fvs sent tells telling me I was nuts

Had a paladin actually send me a tell saying I was bashing paladins because I wouldn't except him

Had a monk joke with me about him having more HP than a barbarian.

I had couple Tells saying they wished their barbarian was "Big" enough to be Shroud Flagged.

I even had a tell asking "How are you going to break the crystal in part 2 without an arcane?" <- Just to note, All 3 Barbarians had a Bow or Throwing Weapons with nice damage modifiers

I even got an invite to drop my silliness and come heal a CitW.
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I honestly thought I was going to win this bet, I just didn't count on losing because there was not enough Barbarians to even 8 man the Shroud. Also being the home server of Shade (Axer) I was sure there would be enough Barbarians running around.

So now this makes me curious;

• Has the whole self healing thing gone so far to an extreme that even people that loved their DPS monster Barbarians are leaning more towards self healing classes?
• Or was Friday night 8:30 to 10:30 PM EST just the wrong time or was it just the 20th of December (Holiday)?
• Or was there fear that a single Cleric level 25 would not be able to heal 11 Barbarians and only 3 had some semblance of faith? (Having a single life line on an Elite Raid does have risk)
• Or did the LFM leave many barbarians Stunned that someone actually wanted them as they were and not demanding BYOH?

Losing the bet was not the most disappointing thing, I was looking forward to seeing the unbridled fury of 11 barbarians taking seconds to remove portals and possibly 1 rounding part 4 and possibly taking 5 minutes to complete part 5 on elite.

[DrNuegebauer]

I dunno about your server, but it seems to me that there are still plenty of barbs.

The issue may have been that you were running Shroud and nobody could be bothered?


Try advertising the 'event' on the Khyber board in advance, and at least then people will know what you're doing!

(For what it's worth, I imagine you'd win that bet fairly comfortably)

[Jay203]

i wouldn't be surprised if you easily win the bet if you had our top barbs in your group

[uhgungawa]

Also being the home server of Shade (Axer) I was sure there would be enough Barbarians running around.

You did it wrong, that's why you failed. Everyone knows the group makeup is to be 1 Axer and 11 buffers, not the other way around

[Beer_Dude]

You did it wrong, that's why you failed. Everyone knows the group makeup is to be 1 Axer and 11 buffers, not the other way around

+1 Uhg

[Symerith]

There are a lot of players on Khyber but in general, they are not interested in endgame.
When you can't fill raids, when pugs just wait for the raid to happen, when first timers don't ask questions about the raid and when most peeps have a passive attitude, you realise people don't care at all about endgame. Sure they want to acquire their lootz easily and painlessly, but they don't enjoy raiding, challenging themselves or even trying to do things as fast and efficiently as possible.
That's my last experience in Khyber. I switched my main to a much more active server, but came back on a few occasions to raid with old friends. Same thing happened so I brought the rest over as well.

[Elation]

There are a lot of players on Khyber but in general, they are not interested in endgame.
When you can't fill raids, when pugs just wait for the raid to happen, when first timers don't ask questions about the raid and when most peeps have a passive attitude, you realise people don't care at all about endgame. Sure they want to acquire their lootz easily and painlessly, but they don't enjoy raiding, challenging themselves or even trying to do things as fast and efficiently as possible.
That's my last experience in Khyber. I switched my main to a much more active server, but came back on a few occasions to raid with old friends. Same thing happened so I brought the rest over as well.

I think you must re-adjust end game, Shroud Elite is not End Game anymore hasnt been since the CAP was 16.... Makes me decide not to read the rest of your Post...

More to the point there is alot of us interested in end game just not old end game since we do not need it anymore. I still have stacks of larges, so if i need to craft anything i can do it on the fly.. Why run shroud?

I still do it for fun with guildies and such but thats about it..

[Symerith]

I think you must re-adjust end game, Shroud Elite is not End Game anymore hasnt been since the CAP was 16.... Makes me decide not to read the rest of your Post...

More to the point there is alot of us interested in end game just not old end game since we do not need it anymore. I still have stacks of larges, so if i need to craft anything i can do it on the fly.. Why run shroud?

I still do it for fun with guildies and such but thats about it..

You didn't even bother reading my post yet you reply to tell me what endgame consists in.
OP is saying that he had a hard time filling a raid. It doesn't matter if you consider shroud elite endgame or not. Heck, for some guys, shroud norm is hard enough.

Also, thank you for giving your personal experience to prove my point. You are in for the loot. When you have it, you don't run stuff anymore (except as you mentionned for fun with guildies).
And as I said, the general idea is that Khyber isn't interested in endgame, whether it is elite shroud or EE citw. Of course, there are some people who are, but all I'm saying is that it is nothing compared to other servs.

And here, I will even answer a question a guy that didn't even take the time to read my post asked.
Why run shroud you say?
Well it's actually pretty easy to answer that. For the challenge, for the fun, to perfect strategies, to come up with new ones, to run a quest/raid as fast & efficiently as possible, or even to understand a raid mechanics (As someone who's been doing a bunch of EE solos, I can tell you a quest is entirely different when you are the only one).. and NOT just for the loot. Because that means you are NOT interested in endgame itself.

[Elation]

You didn't even bother reading my post yet you reply to tell me what endgame consists in.
OP is saying that he had a hard time filling a raid. It doesn't matter if you consider shroud elite endgame or not. Heck, for some guys, shroud norm is hard enough.

Also, thank you for giving your personal experience to prove my point. You are in for the loot. When you have it, you don't run stuff anymore (except as you mentionned for fun with guildies).
And as I said, the general idea is that Khyber isn't interested in endgame, whether it is elite shroud or EE citw. Of course, there are some people who are, but all I'm saying is that it is nothing compared to other servs.

And here, I will even answer a question a guy that didn't even take the time to read my post asked.
Why run shroud you say?
Well it's actually pretty easy to answer that. For the challenge, for the fun, to perfect strategies, to come up with new ones, to run a quest/raid as fast & efficiently as possible, or even to understand a raid mechanics (As someone who's been doing a bunch of EE solos, I can tell you a quest is entirely different when you are the only one).. and NOT just for the loot. Because that means you are NOT interested in endgame itself.

Ok read your post, Your version of end game is not everyone version of end game then again it doesnt even follow the wording for the term END GAME, which would be Content that takes place at a lvl appropriate to the end level for toons, now that i clearified that point for ya I'll address some parts of your post new stratagies in a raid that I have personally ran thousands of times, not exageratting that number either, speed efficiancy i used to participate in the shroud speed run competitions think the fastest i was involved in was 18 minutes start to finish, stratagies well there is alot of them not sure any of them really make a difference as long as most the group follows one of them.... Point is there is no challange in shroud...

As far as soloing goes your not really explaining anything new, Most people who feel confident in themselves which I include myself, can solo epic elite content, its more about knowing your toon and your own abilities.

[MeliCat]

healers? meh :P
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...15#post3744615

Elite when cap was 20. Admittedly some fighters in there as they couldn't get enough barbarians.

(My first ever time using SF pots... great way to learn you can't mix lesser and full pots I'm just happy with being just enough awesome to get even 3 kills in amongst that crowd... )

Was fun. These days it would be even easier to do with all the EDs with HOTs etc.

[MeliCat]

Abbot on Khyber? I don't think I've ever seen a pug Abbot where if they fail a puzzle they don't all recall out and reset the raid. A level 18 raid with 25s with EDs for HOTs and readily a available PLIS. Hard. One particular guild on Thelanis runs their elite Abbots greasing everything - tiles and ice islands included. Puzzles fail? We've been careful enough with our sp so beat him down and redo the puzzle that's failed and shove everyone in roids. Roids fail? Check out all these extra rocks so everyone can practice :P I used to think abbot was boring and frustrating in turns but these days it's kinda fun.

Sith I think you've been a bit tactless the way you phrased yourself which is why you're ending up with all this ep3en waving. Put it away boys

[Symerith]

Ok read your post, Your version of end game is not everyone version of end game then again it doesnt even follow the wording for the term END GAME, which would be Content that takes place at a lvl appropriate to the end level for toons, now that i clearified that point for ya I'll address some parts of your post new stratagies in a raid that I have personally ran thousands of times, not exageratting that number either, speed efficiancy i used to participate in the shroud speed run competitions think the fastest i was involved in was 18 minutes start to finish, stratagies well there is alot of them not sure any of them really make a difference as long as most the group follows one of them.... Point is there is no challange in shroud...

As far as soloing goes your not really explaining anything new, Most people who feel confident in themselves which I include myself, can solo epic elite content, its more about knowing your toon and your own abilities.

You are right. There is no challenge in shroud, especially for someone like you who has ran the raid thousands of times! Many people soloed shroud elite already, and since it's way below lvl 25, it's just a cake walk. No wonder no one wants to run smthg so easy now!
I'm truly sorry.. I guess I'm one of those guys who lack confidence so they try to solo epic elite content to prove themselves.

I'm also sorry I said Khyber's endgame was dying, I am a blind fool as there are so many like you who participate in endgame. Now I understand! It's because there are too many ppl raiding and running endgame content that some are left out and that's why some chose to leave for another server! That would also explain why the endgame Khyber guilds find themselves half empty! I must not have played on Khyber long enough to see it... I'm sorry again for the trouble I caused you, I will not bother you again.

Sith I think you've been a bit tactless the way you phrased yourself which is why you're ending up with all this ep3en waving. Put it away boys

I know, and I wish I had even half of the vocabulary you have! Since I'm french, I've had 6 years of english at school, and been the best every year, but my english still gets me every time. Often, I will not understand the jokes made, or I will say something when I mean it differently. Usually, it doesn't causes problems but I don't think I'll ever gain the "tact" (if that word even exists, 4 am here, can't be bothered to check ^^) that some of the forum people have. Hence me failing to express myself and making a fool of myself. But I try.

[Elation]

You are right. There is no challenge in shroud, especially for someone like you who has ran the raid thousands of times! Many people soloed shroud elite already, and since it's way below lvl 25, it's just a cake walk. No wonder no one wants to run smthg so easy now!
I'm truly sorry.. I guess I'm one of those guys who lack confidence so they try to solo epic elite content to prove themselves.

I'm also sorry I said Khyber's endgame was dying, I am a blind fool as there are so many like you who participate in endgame. Now I understand! It's because there are too many ppl raiding and running endgame content that some are left out and that's why some chose to leave for another server! That would also explain why the endgame Khyber guilds find themselves half empty! I must not have played on Khyber long enough to see it... I'm sorry again for the trouble I caused you, I will not bother you again.



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I guess not, lol you seem to be taking this very personally, that is ok you left the servor good on ya found a place that suits you better, go you, not knocking ya, you trying to tell me how to figure out game mechanics, or stratagies, because its different playing epic elite solo sure thing, I was just saying it was not End Game, oh sure its dieing to you maybe but I dont seem to have a problem filling almost anything but its not your servor anymore so no worries there right....The OP was talking about Barbs, I realised i havent really played mine at all since update 16, think he may have a point people do not seem to be running them as often...

Oh i have made it through part 3 Shroud elite Solo part for though is a beast havent tried since before update MOTU though so maybe with epic destinies it would be a bit more manageable... I think ill give it a try this week and see how it goes...

[NancyD]

I'm also sorry I said Khyber's endgame was dying..... But I try.

i think the PUG scene is dying, as testy Khyber closed ranks on Stoners. Symerith, you're missed for sure. Your energetic sarcasm and penchant for honest are positively Khyberian, and perhaps one day you'll be back. You got skillz.

Happy Holidays

[Saaluta]

I have no barbarians, so would not have been able to come anyway, but sorry to hear you lost your bet Although Saaluta should be on her barb life someday, lol.

Saal

[Argnos1]

I saw your LFM.

I would have joined if both my barbs (2 of my 5 toons)
hadn't been on timer for Shroud already.

[Indoran]

khyber has some endgame going ... but mostly behind closed doors... something happened that destroyed the trust on pugs (i look at you free level 16 stones from MOTU)

[ResEvil6370]

To be fair Sith - alot of people who want to challenge themselves in terms of gaming decide that after playing this game for a certain amount of time, that its time to pick up a new game - a new challenge, as opposed to playing the very same game 6-10 hours a day, every week for 3 or 4 years like you or I have been.

Khyber is "empty" because many like you made the decision you cant, and that is to move on and find challenge elsewhere. When you described your problems to me in party before you left khyber - I was thinking that the issue was that you were finished with the game, not that there is something wrong with khyber.

As a side note, I think your English is excellent - I dont think it lets you down much at all......I just think you dont realize how disrespectful you have sounded in a couple of posts to those on khyber who made you who you are today.

Sorry if this offends you in any way but thats the way I see it.

You're still to this day one of the nicest guys i've ever met.

[MeliCat]

To be fair Sith - alot of people who want to challenge themselves in terms of gaming decide that after playing this game for a certain amount of time, that its time to pick up a new game - a new challenge, as opposed to playing the very same game 6-10 hours a day, every week for 3 or 4 years like you or I have been.

Khyber is "empty" because many like you made the decision you cant, and that is to move on and find challenge elsewhere. When you described your problems to me in party before you left khyber - I was thinking that the issue was that you were finished with the game, not that there is something wrong with khyber.

As a side note, I think your English is excellent - I dont think it lets you down much at all......I just think you dont realize how disrespectful you have sounded in a couple of posts to those on khyber who made you who you are today.

Sorry if this offends you in any way but thats the way I see it.

You're still to this day one of the nicest guys i've ever met.

Another part of the problem is that Sith is comparing what he currently sees now on Thelanis to what he saw on just before he left Khyber.

[Jaid314]

i'm a bit confused here...

if you can solo-heal elite shroud with one barbarian in it, and that barbarian doesn't die (which has been done many many many times i'm sure, though i don't know whether you personally have done that)...

why wouldn't you be able to heal a shroud with 11 barbarians in it and have those barbarians not die? is there something i don't know about barbarians where if you have 11 of them they start murdering each other?