Big thank you to all the Khyber Barbarians - I lost the Bet

[Enoach]

So Friday night I took a bet that I couldn't solo heal 11 Barbarians Level 20+ through an Elite Shroud. Barbarian Had to show as the primary.

I lost the bet - not because we tried an failed but because after 3 hours starting at 8:30 PM EST on Friday night.
(Thanks to those three that joined)

In that time I got 3 Khyber Barbarians and a bunch of mixed comments (2 Pure and one 11/8/1 Barb/Ftr/Bard AA)


Some clerics/fvs sent tells telling me I was nuts

Had a paladin actually send me a tell saying I was bashing paladins because I wouldn't except him

Had a monk joke with me about him having more HP than a barbarian.

I had couple Tells saying they wished their barbarian was "Big" enough to be Shroud Flagged.

I even had a tell asking "How are you going to break the crystal in part 2 without an arcane?" <- Just to note, All 3 Barbarians had a Bow or Throwing Weapons with nice damage modifiers

I even got an invite to drop my silliness and come heal a CitW.
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I honestly thought I was going to win this bet, I just didn't count on losing because there was not enough Barbarians to even 8 man the Shroud. Also being the home server of Shade (Axer) I was sure there would be enough Barbarians running around.

So now this makes me curious;

• Has the whole self healing thing gone so far to an extreme that even people that loved their DPS monster Barbarians are leaning more towards self healing classes?
• Or was Friday night 8:30 to 10:30 PM EST just the wrong time or was it just the 20th of December (Holiday)?
• Or was there fear that a single Cleric level 25 would not be able to heal 11 Barbarians and only 3 had some semblance of faith? (Having a single life line on an Elite Raid does have risk)
• Or did the LFM leave many barbarians Stunned that someone actually wanted them as they were and not demanding BYOH?

Losing the bet was not the most disappointing thing, I was looking forward to seeing the unbridled fury of 11 barbarians taking seconds to remove portals and possibly 1 rounding part 4 and possibly taking 5 minutes to complete part 5 on elite.

[DrNuegebauer]

I dunno about your server, but it seems to me that there are still plenty of barbs.

The issue may have been that you were running Shroud and nobody could be bothered?


Try advertising the 'event' on the Khyber board in advance, and at least then people will know what you're doing!

(For what it's worth, I imagine you'd win that bet fairly comfortably)

[Jay203]

i wouldn't be surprised if you easily win the bet if you had our top barbs in your group

[uhgungawa]

Also being the home server of Shade (Axer) I was sure there would be enough Barbarians running around.

You did it wrong, that's why you failed. Everyone knows the group makeup is to be 1 Axer and 11 buffers, not the other way around

[Symerith]

There are a lot of players on Khyber but in general, they are not interested in endgame.
When you can't fill raids, when pugs just wait for the raid to happen, when first timers don't ask questions about the raid and when most peeps have a passive attitude, you realise people don't care at all about endgame. Sure they want to acquire their lootz easily and painlessly, but they don't enjoy raiding, challenging themselves or even trying to do things as fast and efficiently as possible.
That's my last experience in Khyber. I switched my main to a much more active server, but came back on a few occasions to raid with old friends. Same thing happened so I brought the rest over as well.

[Elation]

There are a lot of players on Khyber but in general, they are not interested in endgame.
When you can't fill raids, when pugs just wait for the raid to happen, when first timers don't ask questions about the raid and when most peeps have a passive attitude, you realise people don't care at all about endgame. Sure they want to acquire their lootz easily and painlessly, but they don't enjoy raiding, challenging themselves or even trying to do things as fast and efficiently as possible.
That's my last experience in Khyber. I switched my main to a much more active server, but came back on a few occasions to raid with old friends. Same thing happened so I brought the rest over as well.

I think you must re-adjust end game, Shroud Elite is not End Game anymore hasnt been since the CAP was 16.... Makes me decide not to read the rest of your Post...

More to the point there is alot of us interested in end game just not old end game since we do not need it anymore. I still have stacks of larges, so if i need to craft anything i can do it on the fly.. Why run shroud?

I still do it for fun with guildies and such but thats about it..

[MeliCat]

healers? meh :P
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...15#post3744615

Elite when cap was 20. Admittedly some fighters in there as they couldn't get enough barbarians.

(My first ever time using SF pots... great way to learn you can't mix lesser and full pots I'm just happy with being just enough awesome to get even 3 kills in amongst that crowd... )

Was fun. These days it would be even easier to do with all the EDs with HOTs etc.

[Symerith]

I think you must re-adjust end game, Shroud Elite is not End Game anymore hasnt been since the CAP was 16.... Makes me decide not to read the rest of your Post...

More to the point there is alot of us interested in end game just not old end game since we do not need it anymore. I still have stacks of larges, so if i need to craft anything i can do it on the fly.. Why run shroud?

I still do it for fun with guildies and such but thats about it..

You didn't even bother reading my post yet you reply to tell me what endgame consists in.
OP is saying that he had a hard time filling a raid. It doesn't matter if you consider shroud elite endgame or not. Heck, for some guys, shroud norm is hard enough.

Also, thank you for giving your personal experience to prove my point. You are in for the loot. When you have it, you don't run stuff anymore (except as you mentionned for fun with guildies).
And as I said, the general idea is that Khyber isn't interested in endgame, whether it is elite shroud or EE citw. Of course, there are some people who are, but all I'm saying is that it is nothing compared to other servs.

And here, I will even answer a question a guy that didn't even take the time to read my post asked.
Why run shroud you say?
Well it's actually pretty easy to answer that. For the challenge, for the fun, to perfect strategies, to come up with new ones, to run a quest/raid as fast & efficiently as possible, or even to understand a raid mechanics (As someone who's been doing a bunch of EE solos, I can tell you a quest is entirely different when you are the only one).. and NOT just for the loot. Because that means you are NOT interested in endgame itself.

[Elation]

You didn't even bother reading my post yet you reply to tell me what endgame consists in.
OP is saying that he had a hard time filling a raid. It doesn't matter if you consider shroud elite endgame or not. Heck, for some guys, shroud norm is hard enough.

Also, thank you for giving your personal experience to prove my point. You are in for the loot. When you have it, you don't run stuff anymore (except as you mentionned for fun with guildies).
And as I said, the general idea is that Khyber isn't interested in endgame, whether it is elite shroud or EE citw. Of course, there are some people who are, but all I'm saying is that it is nothing compared to other servs.

And here, I will even answer a question a guy that didn't even take the time to read my post asked.
Why run shroud you say?
Well it's actually pretty easy to answer that. For the challenge, for the fun, to perfect strategies, to come up with new ones, to run a quest/raid as fast & efficiently as possible, or even to understand a raid mechanics (As someone who's been doing a bunch of EE solos, I can tell you a quest is entirely different when you are the only one).. and NOT just for the loot. Because that means you are NOT interested in endgame itself.

Ok read your post, Your version of end game is not everyone version of end game then again it doesnt even follow the wording for the term END GAME, which would be Content that takes place at a lvl appropriate to the end level for toons, now that i clearified that point for ya I'll address some parts of your post new stratagies in a raid that I have personally ran thousands of times, not exageratting that number either, speed efficiancy i used to participate in the shroud speed run competitions think the fastest i was involved in was 18 minutes start to finish, stratagies well there is alot of them not sure any of them really make a difference as long as most the group follows one of them.... Point is there is no challange in shroud...

As far as soloing goes your not really explaining anything new, Most people who feel confident in themselves which I include myself, can solo epic elite content, its more about knowing your toon and your own abilities.

[MeliCat]

Abbot on Khyber? I don't think I've ever seen a pug Abbot where if they fail a puzzle they don't all recall out and reset the raid. A level 18 raid with 25s with EDs for HOTs and readily a available PLIS. Hard. One particular guild on Thelanis runs their elite Abbots greasing everything - tiles and ice islands included. Puzzles fail? We've been careful enough with our sp so beat him down and redo the puzzle that's failed and shove everyone in roids. Roids fail? Check out all these extra rocks so everyone can practice :P I used to think abbot was boring and frustrating in turns but these days it's kinda fun.

Sith I think you've been a bit tactless the way you phrased yourself which is why you're ending up with all this ep3en waving. Put it away boys

[Jaid314]

i'm a bit confused here...

if you can solo-heal elite shroud with one barbarian in it, and that barbarian doesn't die (which has been done many many many times i'm sure, though i don't know whether you personally have done that)...

why wouldn't you be able to heal a shroud with 11 barbarians in it and have those barbarians not die? is there something i don't know about barbarians where if you have 11 of them they start murdering each other?

[Bimbelbo]

i'm a bit confused here...

if you can solo-heal elite shroud with one barbarian in it, and that barbarian doesn't die (which has been done many many many times i'm sure, though i don't know whether you personally have done that)...

why wouldn't you be able to heal a shroud with 11 barbarians in it and have those barbarians not die? is there something i don't know about barbarians where if you have 11 of them they start murdering each other?

That's exactly what i was thinking. The whole issue here is the inability to fill a group due to class-restriction. What's the deal with healing a shroud with babarians? Mass heal 11 barbs does not require more sp than mass-healing a bunch of 1,2 or 7 melees of any class in the centre. I imagine it to be even more easy than to tend a mixed party. Provided they all are adequately, that is at least half-decent built and geared (no 450 hp-gimps, but as it's an elite that should be understood).

So big drama over nothing here IMHO.

[Symerith]

Ok read your post, Your version of end game is not everyone version of end game then again it doesnt even follow the wording for the term END GAME, which would be Content that takes place at a lvl appropriate to the end level for toons, now that i clearified that point for ya I'll address some parts of your post new stratagies in a raid that I have personally ran thousands of times, not exageratting that number either, speed efficiancy i used to participate in the shroud speed run competitions think the fastest i was involved in was 18 minutes start to finish, stratagies well there is alot of them not sure any of them really make a difference as long as most the group follows one of them.... Point is there is no challange in shroud...

As far as soloing goes your not really explaining anything new, Most people who feel confident in themselves which I include myself, can solo epic elite content, its more about knowing your toon and your own abilities.

You are right. There is no challenge in shroud, especially for someone like you who has ran the raid thousands of times! Many people soloed shroud elite already, and since it's way below lvl 25, it's just a cake walk. No wonder no one wants to run smthg so easy now!
I'm truly sorry.. I guess I'm one of those guys who lack confidence so they try to solo epic elite content to prove themselves.

I'm also sorry I said Khyber's endgame was dying, I am a blind fool as there are so many like you who participate in endgame. Now I understand! It's because there are too many ppl raiding and running endgame content that some are left out and that's why some chose to leave for another server! That would also explain why the endgame Khyber guilds find themselves half empty! I must not have played on Khyber long enough to see it... I'm sorry again for the trouble I caused you, I will not bother you again.

Sith I think you've been a bit tactless the way you phrased yourself which is why you're ending up with all this ep3en waving. Put it away boys

I know, and I wish I had even half of the vocabulary you have! Since I'm french, I've had 6 years of english at school, and been the best every year, but my english still gets me every time. Often, I will not understand the jokes made, or I will say something when I mean it differently. Usually, it doesn't causes problems but I don't think I'll ever gain the "tact" (if that word even exists, 4 am here, can't be bothered to check ^^) that some of the forum people have. Hence me failing to express myself and making a fool of myself. But I try.

[Enoach]

I think many got the wrong impression about the bet.

First it had nothing to do with my ability as a Cleric - If it did then it would have been an AT LEVEL Shroud on Elite.

The bet was over if there was enough available Barbarians on Friday night to run a Shroud and I was wrong.

I'm sure if the Bet allowed me prep time I could have maybe sparked more interest.

As for all those with their comments about Shroud being "old and tired", I'm sorry you feel that way. Several Shrouds filled around me in those 3 hours - None of them sported a single barbarian.

So does this mean that every barbarian that was on Friday night already had every thing they could possibly want? Based on what I'm seeing from this thread that is one possibility.

Actually I feel that 11 Frenzy Barbarians would be much easier to heal than any other group make-up, as they would most likely be more like a Plague of Locusts devouring everything in there path - Mass heal in the middle, Aura for rages etc.

I'm going to do more studies on the Khyber Barbarian population - It just might be an endangered species...

[Elation]

I think many got the wrong impression about the bet.

First it had nothing to do with my ability as a Cleric - If it did then it would have been an AT LEVEL Shroud on Elite.

The bet was over if there was enough available Barbarians on Friday night to run a Shroud and I was wrong.

I'm sure if the Bet allowed me prep time I could have maybe sparked more interest.

As for all those with their comments about Shroud being "old and tired", I'm sorry you feel that way. Several Shrouds filled around me in those 3 hours - None of them sported a single barbarian.

So does this mean that every barbarian that was on Friday night already had every thing they could possibly want? Based on what I'm seeing from this thread that is one possibility.

Actually I feel that 11 Frenzy Barbarians would be much easier to heal than any other group make-up, as they would most likely be more like a Plague of Locusts devouring everything in there path - Mass heal in the middle, Aura for rages etc.

I'm going to do more studies on the Khyber Barbarian population - It just might be an endangered species...

I think there might be alot of people by passing their barbs for lvling and such at the moment, i just looked through my toon list and realised both my barbs are still sitting at lvl 20, just havent had the urge to lvl them yet... maybe ill break one out this week and cap him quick

[Elation]

You are right. There is no challenge in shroud, especially for someone like you who has ran the raid thousands of times! Many people soloed shroud elite already, and since it's way below lvl 25, it's just a cake walk. No wonder no one wants to run smthg so easy now!
I'm truly sorry.. I guess I'm one of those guys who lack confidence so they try to solo epic elite content to prove themselves.

I'm also sorry I said Khyber's endgame was dying, I am a blind fool as there are so many like you who participate in endgame. Now I understand! It's because there are too many ppl raiding and running endgame content that some are left out and that's why some chose to leave for another server! That would also explain why the endgame Khyber guilds find themselves half empty! I must not have played on Khyber long enough to see it... I'm sorry again for the trouble I caused you, I will not bother you again.



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I guess not, lol you seem to be taking this very personally, that is ok you left the servor good on ya found a place that suits you better, go you, not knocking ya, you trying to tell me how to figure out game mechanics, or stratagies, because its different playing epic elite solo sure thing, I was just saying it was not End Game, oh sure its dieing to you maybe but I dont seem to have a problem filling almost anything but its not your servor anymore so no worries there right....The OP was talking about Barbs, I realised i havent really played mine at all since update 16, think he may have a point people do not seem to be running them as often...

Oh i have made it through part 3 Shroud elite Solo part for though is a beast havent tried since before update MOTU though so maybe with epic destinies it would be a bit more manageable... I think ill give it a try this week and see how it goes...

[Beer_Dude]

You did it wrong, that's why you failed. Everyone knows the group makeup is to be 1 Axer and 11 buffers, not the other way around

+1 Uhg

[HalfORCastrator]

I think many got the wrong impression about the bet.

First it had nothing to do with my ability as a Cleric - If it did then it would have been an AT LEVEL Shroud on Elite.

The bet was over if there was enough available Barbarians on Friday night to run a Shroud and I was wrong.

I'm sure if the Bet allowed me prep time I could have maybe sparked more interest.

As for all those with their comments about Shroud being "old and tired", I'm sorry you feel that way. Several Shrouds filled around me in those 3 hours - None of them sported a single barbarian.

So does this mean that every barbarian that was on Friday night already had every thing they could possibly want? Based on what I'm seeing from this thread that is one possibility.

Actually I feel that 11 Frenzy Barbarians would be much easier to heal than any other group make-up, as they would most likely be more like a Plague of Locusts devouring everything in there path - Mass heal in the middle, Aura for rages etc.

I'm going to do more studies on the Khyber Barbarian population - It just might be an endangered species...

Right, because it's all so one dimensional.

As one of the barbs that was on during the time you had your lfm up, I'll tell you why I didn't join even though I was mildly interested. Shrouds take a while as it is to fill, why would I want to wait EVEN MORE so we get this perfect all-barb+1 healer group? On top of that, I had other priorities besides another Shroud.

As to your point regarding "several shrouds filled". Who cares? Just the repetition is enough to slow peoples' Shrouding down.

I see plenty of other barbarians left and right. Your one-of lfm of very narrow restrictions doesn't prove a thing. lol

[noinfo]

So now this makes me curious;

• Has the whole self healing thing gone so far to an extreme that even people that loved their DPS monster Barbarians are leaning more towards self healing classes?
• Or was Friday night 8:30 to 10:30 PM EST just the wrong time or was it just the 20th of December (Holiday)?
• Or was there fear that a single Cleric level 25 would not be able to heal 11 Barbarians and only 3 had some semblance of faith? (Having a single life line on an Elite Raid does have risk)
• Or did the LFM leave many barbarians Stunned that someone actually wanted them as they were and not demanding BYOH?

Losing the bet was not the most disappointing thing, I was looking forward to seeing the unbridled fury of 11 barbarians taking seconds to remove portals and possibly 1 rounding part 4 and possibly taking 5 minutes to complete part 5 on elite.

My Barbarian is a self healing toon. Thats what SF pots are for

[NancyD]

So Friday night I took a bet ...
So now this makes me curious;

• Has the whole self healing thing gone so far to an extreme that even people that loved their DPS monster Barbarians are leaning more towards self healing classes?
• Or was Friday night 8:30 to 10:30 PM EST just the wrong time or was it just the 20th of December (Holiday)?
• Or was there fear that a single Cleric level 25 would not be able to heal 11 Barbarians and only 3 had some semblance of faith? (Having a single life line on an Elite Raid does have risk)
• Or did the LFM leave many barbarians Stunned that someone actually wanted them as they were and not demanding BYOH?

Losing the bet was not the most disappointing thing, I was looking forward to seeing the unbridled fury of 11 barbarians taking seconds to remove portals and possibly 1 rounding part 4 and possibly taking 5 minutes to complete part 5 on elite.

Definitely timing. Friday night + holidays. My barb would have come, and he's a cleric's revenge for sure.