How do you do the 3rd furnace first air jet jump all the way up?

[MeliCat]

Before you come at me - no I don't mean getting *onto* the jet, I mean the bit up the top.

For reference

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-ARBCcQxqU

See 18.35 for what I mean.

So for most normal people (ie who can't do this bit) you just press into the wall and land on the pipe and continue on your way.

But I want to see if I can get this jump where you can go up and get this pipe to go across as per our famous MrCow in that youtube above.

I think I'm hitting something up top and coming down fast or something? It happens too fast for me to see.

[Theolin]

I have the same issue, though I have actually made it once, usually it seems as though a little lag <0.5 second will make it not work, I seem to miss a few frames when I get more than 1/2 way up then I am coming back down and am usually just past the "point" you need to move at.

The time it did work I saw the entire up & down so I could land on the top one.

[MeliCat]

That's interesting. I wonder if it is a computer graphics client side thing then?

[herzkos]

i've managed that jump 10 or 11 times in the time i've been playing. some of the problem seems to be
lag inspired as mentioned above another seems to be pure luck in getting the "super jet". I've gotten to the point
that if I fail to make the jump, i'll just do the alternate (slightly longer route) past the alcove with the rare in it.
generally easier than killing the respawns. If I'm duoing I'll just take the platform behind and to the right of
the first jet to take the second route to the top.

If soloing with a hire, i'll take the platform with the trog caster route everytime because of the number of failures
to get the superjet to work.

[jandhaer]

Have some one pull the valve twice as fast as they can click it.

[MeliCat]

Yep no problems taking the other route. I just want to be able to do this particular fastest way. It may be that I need a better computer and graphics card.

[MeliCat]

Have some one pull the valve twice as fast as they can click it.

Soloing so not an option.

[MrCow]

The key to getting a high geyser-blast is to jump into the geyser, or begin a jump just before the geyser goes off. Your initial upwards acceleration (from the jump) is added to the geyser's upward acceleration, causing a higher-than-normal thrust upwards.

The client, though, does not always display being thrust into the air very well. Depending on latency, you may need to do a bit of intuitive estimation on when or how to jump into the geyser.

[rimble]

The client, though, does not always display being thrust into the air very well. Depending on latency, you may need to do a bit of intuitive estimation on when or how to jump into the geyser.

Yeah, this. Sometimes I'm lucky and when the latency clears I'm hanging from the top pipe (I push forward and hope)...usually I'm floating down past it and just grab the second best one. Could consider turning down graphics or something maybe, but it's not worth the bother. I like ganking those trogs up on that ledge anyways.

[Alternative]

There is very easy alternate route that doesn't require this perfect jump, and just jumping on one of the low pipes is enough. Hard to describe it, but it involves going over the the pipes to the place from which you jet yourself to the optional chests, and then from there feather fall onto a pipe from which you can jump to the lever. Requires feather fall, good jump score or clicky, and a haste pot or two.

[MeliCat]

The key to getting a high geyser-blast is to jump into the geyser, or begin a jump just before the geyser goes off. Your initial upwards acceleration (from the jump) is added to the geyser's upward acceleration, causing a higher-than-normal thrust upwards.

The client, though, does not always display being thrust into the air very well. Depending on latency, you may need to do a bit of intuitive estimation on when or how to jump into the geyser.

Ah... so this is what herzkos means? I hadn't twigged to the difference so now I'll go looking.

I live with I think a baseline of 220 (Australia) but I'm guessing it is possible to work around this.

There is very easy alternate route that doesn't require this perfect jump, and just jumping on one of the low pipes is enough. Hard to describe it, but it involves going over the the pipes to the place from which you jet yourself to the optional chests, and then from there feather fall onto a pipe from which you can jump to the lever. Requires feather fall, good jump score or clicky, and a haste pot or two.

yep yep this is what I do ... but I was curious about this fast way from MrCow's video - *if* I can do it.

[lugoman]

There is something funky with how DDO moves your character when it is going fast. Maybe some network prediction code or something. The same thing can happen at the air jet in von 5. When the 4 levers are pulled the air will shoot you up fast. Sometimes you seem to hit an invisible ceiling. If you move your character you will often fall back down. If you dont move, you will fall a bit then shoot back up to the ladder lever.

[NexEverto]

I live with I think a baseline of 220 (Australia) but I'm guessing it is possible to work around this.

220, ****, I'm jealous. I sit around 280 - 300, which can be a real pain. I have so many issues with Air Jets it isn't funny, and no matter what I try the Client/Server seem to constantly argue, often resulting in my death. I hate jumping over a Jet whilst it's 'off' only to be shot half way across the quest.

[MeliCat]

There is something funky with how DDO moves your character when it is going fast. Maybe some network prediction code or something. The same thing can happen at the air jet in von 5. When the 4 levers are pulled the air will shoot you up fast. Sometimes you seem to hit an invisible ceiling. If you move your character you will often fall back down. If you dont move, you will fall a bit then shoot back up to the ladder lever.

I wondered if it was a between stories thing? That particular jet is sending you up 4 levels or so. I wondered if it was some sort of 'dump unimportant packets to protect against lag' sort of thing.

@Nex really? I wonder if it's a provider thing because I think we all use the same transtasman cables.

[NexEverto]

@Nex really? I wonder if it's a provider thing because I think we all use the same transtasman cables.

Really. It may a provider thing, or I've got a shotty relay somewhere between me and the international exchange, or however it works.

[delsoboss]

One thing i noticed while spending time getting the long jump there in the Pit is that feather fall hinders the jump.

Probably because of latency and/or lag but with feather fall on anytime i try to jump i get splatted on the ceiling too fast and by the time i react to the geiser i'm already falling past the pipe i want to land on.

[Aurora1979]

I alswo find that if I stand left of centre on the jet pipe (left if your facing the valve) so a little bit away from the wall it works better too and you don't hit your head on that mystery invisible spot as much.

I have no video to show but I have taught dozens of people The Pit. Most lives I do 1-2 normal training runs then a hard and an elite... though often the elite is ran later for less exp. I really enjoy that quest though, so underated.

Happy jetting.