Hey guys I have a friend in my static group that has been primarily playing single classed characters and would like try a multi-classed one (not splash)
She'd like to start with familiar territory that being cleric...Radiant Servant to be exact and she's looking how to utilize that whilst increasing her melee capabilities.
MY thoughts to start would be Cleric12-13/Fighter or Paladin6-7/X0-2 but beyond that I don't know what to do with it.
A couple things she requested
- This build not include Monk, she loves her Monk but she wants something different
- She wants to wear heavy armor, preferably shield bearing although THF is ok, definitely not TWF though
- She definitely wants Radiant Servant 2 for healing aura
- Melee DPS is the focus but healing power should not be ignored (hence why Cleric13 is a consideration)
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12-19-2012, 04:27 PM #1The Mad Multiclasser
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Friend wants to try multiclassing and wants to start with Cleric
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12-19-2012, 05:36 PM #2Community Member
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First point: "healing power" needs more clarification. Does she want to be able to heal raids? Just Shroud? 13 cleric is fine for general questing with a strong group, anything beyond that is going to be a stretch.
Using a shield will cripple her DPS. Her best bet is really to load up on sneak attack with TWF, maybe a 13 cleric 7 rogue, but you say definitely not TWF. Let's try 13 cleric 7 fighter...
Feats
THF, ITHF, GTHF, Power Attack, Improved Critical for meleeing
Empower Heal for Radiant Servant
Maximize for Divine Punishment and bursts
Toughness for staying alive
That leaves us 4 on a human, we can go Weapon Focus and Weapon Specialization for Kensei, Cleave and Great Cleave with an eye on Overwhelming Critical. Quicken would also be a good idea, though, probably leave GC and OC for epic feats.
Enhancements
Kensei 1 and Mastery, 11 AP with pre-reqs
Haste Boost 3, 17 AP
Human Versatility 4, 27 AP
Radiant Servant 2, 49 AP
rest of Life Magic, 56 AP
Smiting 4, 66 AP
You've got a little room to play with here, enhancements should work out okay. I would go Toughness/Toughness 2 for sure, that's got you up to 72 AP.
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Another alternative is to go something like 18 cleric / 2 fighter. On its face it seems like you give up a lot of melee DPS, but 13/7 isn't really that much better, and 18/2 gives you a lot more ability to heal or LR into a caster build.
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12-19-2012, 05:45 PM #3The Mad Multiclasser
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Well the planned party so far is
Elven FvS12/Monk6/Paladin2 TWF WSS Build
WF Sorc or Wiz
Dark Monk or Frenzy Barb
Bard18/Fighter2
So mostly self sufficient group so only general healing will suffice...what I meant but not ignoring healing power was the reasoning for 13 cleric instead of 17 for Cure Serious Mass..the FvS and her Cleric will play the most with the other 3 playing a little less (based on availability)
THF is definitely an acceptable alternative although she was hoping to take on the "tank" of the group not that it really matters.
As for the 18/2 build she really wants to mess around with a deep multi-class (mainly because I tend to bring wacky builds to the group and she finds them intriguing) so whilst its probably a good build I'm working within her parametersLast edited by Failedlegend; 12-19-2012 at 05:49 PM.
Originally Posted by Cordovan
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12-19-2012, 06:29 PM #4Build Constructionist
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My suggestion: cleric 13 / ftr 6 / wiz 1 - Radiant Servant II / SD I. The idea is to be a STR-based self-healing S&B tank who can also use light spells for added DPS / threat. Feats (7 base + 4 ftr + 1 wiz + 2 epic = 14 total, +1 if human): Toughness, Power Atk, IC:Slash, THF x3, both Shield Masteries, b.sword or d.axe (dwarf gets the latter free obviously), Max/Emp Heal/Emp/Quicken, with a couple left over to tweak things (e.g., Combat Expertise, maybe a tactics feat or two). Originally Posted by Failedlegend
Quick test build:
Skills: max Concentration and Intim; rest can go into Balance or UMDCode:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.14.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page Level 20 True Neutral Human Female (6 Fighter \ 13 Cleric \ 1 Wizard) Hit Points: 330 Spell Points: 714 BAB: 15\15\20\25\25 Fortitude: 17 Reflex: 6 Will: 14 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 16 26 Dexterity 8 10 Constitution 16 18 Intelligence 10 12 Wisdom 12 14 Charisma 14 16 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 Level 1 (Cleric) Feat: (Human Bonus) Empower Healing Spell Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 2 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack Level 3 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell Level 4 (Cleric) Ability Raise: STR Level 5 (Cleric) Level 6 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell Level 7 (Cleric) Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Improved Heal I Enhancement: Improved Heal II Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I Enhancement: Cleric Smiting I Enhancement: Cleric Smiting II Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might I Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II Level 8 (Cleric) Ability Raise: STR Level 9 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Shield Mastery Level 10 (Cleric) Level 11 (Cleric) Level 12 (Cleric) Ability Raise: STR Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Level 13 (Cleric) Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host Enhancement: Cleric Smiting III Enhancement: Cleric Smiting IV Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might II Level 14 (Wizard) Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell Level 15 (Cleric) Feat: (Selected) Improved Shield Mastery Level 16 (Fighter) Ability Raise: STR Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting Level 17 (Fighter) Level 18 (Fighter) Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting Level 19 (Fighter) Level 20 (Fighter) Ability Raise: STR Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender I Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting I Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Smiting II Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Smiting I Enhancement: Fighter Strength I Enhancement: Fighter Strength II Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery III Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery IV
I chose to backload the melee feats in order to make a beeline for RS II, on the presumption of using 2H weapons until later lvls; so for the first several levels plays like "just" a conventional battlecleric. But your friend may wish to front-load the ftr lvls & melee feats.Semi-retired Build Engineer. Everything was better back in our day. Get off my lawn.
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12-19-2012, 06:57 PM #5Community Member
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Certainly not an expert in builds myself but can I ask why no Stalwart 1? Originally Posted by unbongwah
The same question to the person who suggested 13/7 with Kensai 1?
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12-19-2012, 07:21 PM #6Build Constructionist
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Umm, do you mean "Stalwart Defender I," which I take at lvl 20? That "Stalwart 1?" Originally Posted by FranOhmsford
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12-19-2012, 07:31 PM #7Community Member
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Yep - Didn't realise the Enhancements I was looking at were for Lvl 7 - I apologise. Originally Posted by unbongwah
Umm, do you mean "Stalwart Defender I," which I take at lvl 20? That "Stalwart 1?"
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12-19-2012, 07:34 PM #8The Hatchery
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May I ask why the requirement for a split instead of a splash? I would look carefully at the SP pool and spells available before going less than 17 cleric. There was a 12 fvs / 2 ftr build recently posted with just quicken and maximise as casting feats, leaving quite a few combat feats to take.
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12-20-2012, 08:03 AM #9Community Member
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what about a 17cleric/1fighter/2paladin human thf? 17 cleric grants full caster abilities, fighter extra feat and haste boost(within human damage boost) and paladin high saves. To be dps with a cleric you should invest a bit into cha a bit (more turn undead and more divine might 3 uses for +6 damage).
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15+level ups here
15+3tome=18 qualify for divine might 3
feats: 7+1human+1fighter+2epic= max, empower, empower healing, quicken, extended, ic:slash, thoughness, cleave, thf line.
This should be a pretty solid build.
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12-20-2012, 12:34 PM #10Community Member
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errr... Originally Posted by Failedlegend
does she realize that "tank" is a role which is only really needed in a very few situations in DDO, rather than being a full-time job like it is in many other MMOs?
(in any event, if she wants to both tank and do DPS, i think the traditional route involves using a bastard sword or a dwarven axe when sword & board tanking, and switching to a full THF weapon the rest of the time)
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12-20-2012, 12:40 PM #11The Mad Multiclasser
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Oh sorry Jaid I worded that badly I meant that she wants to be a heavyily armored shield wielding type character not necessarily an actual tank in the sense of the archetype...more she wants to feel like a walking tank (as in the military vehicle) IOW she can take in and dish it out...I'm pretty sure she'd be fine with THF though.
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12-20-2012, 01:21 PM #12Build Constructionist
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Part of the trick to doing decent S&B DPS these days is maxing out your doublestrike. For a S&B battlecleric, SM+ISM gets you +8%; the rest comes from gear. Unfortunately, without Zeal or ftr capstone, everyone else misses out on that extra +10%.
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