Pay to win much?

[smatt]

You may ahve missed it, but VIP in the eyes of alot of us premiums have become broken records against so called pay to win, while also stating they never spend more then the sub price.

Well to we who actually support( support defined as those who spend above and beyond not for any gain other then the game going on) see those VIP as cheap skates and moochers even more so then a newb FTP.

You see, the fact is subscribers failed that other version of DDO, it died. In this new DDO subbing is the most minimal offering you can make while taking a ride around the game world. Especially if you choose to save up your stipened and invest it wisely when the sub runs out, time it right for holiday sales and in a couple years of VIP you could buy most of if not all the content while barely spending all that much.

When you factor in the cost of a years sub when on sale, and the stipened, the actual cost for the sub is rather minimal. Ive seen many of these anti P2W posters over the years since the change proudly state the spend not a dime more then the sub price.

Well that makes them part of the problem, not part of the support population. Because all they seem to do is live to deride and insult we who do on the forums and in game. honestly unless you spend at least 400 bucks a year like i and alot who care to see DDO keep going do, do you think your tight fisted skin flint opinion will even be heard by turbine?

DDO the subscribe and grind game failed and died. You play and pay your way and I will mine, and keep your mouth shut on your opinion of how I spend mine or I will happily report you as I have others for harassment. Do you think admin appreciates you saying or doing anything that makes someone supporting them feel less inclined to?

From here on out I will be treating people who use the term P2W directed at a person specifically or a group in general as no different then using any other derogatory or hate speech and reporting it as such. Then we can find out who turbine sides with and end this BS for once and all.

What an arrogant bunch of windbag tripe.....

[Chai]

You may ahve missed it, but VIP in the eyes of alot of us premiums have become broken records against so called pay to win, while also stating they never spend more then the sub price.

Another attempt to shoehorn your little bugbear shaped chip on your shoulder about how premium is sooo much better than VIP into yet another thread that has nothing to do with that topic.

Well to we who actually support( support defined as those who spend above and beyond not for any gain other then the game going on) see those VIP as cheap skates and moochers even more so then a newb FTP.

You see, the fact is subscribers failed that other version of DDO, it died. In this new DDO subbing is the most minimal offering you can make while taking a ride around the game world. Especially if you choose to save up your stipened and invest it wisely when the sub runs out, time it right for holiday sales and in a couple years of VIP you could buy most of if not all the content while barely spending all that much.

When you factor in the cost of a years sub when on sale, and the stipened, the actual cost for the sub is rather minimal. Ive seen many of these anti P2W posters over the years since the change proudly state the spend not a dime more then the sub price.

Then there are the many premium players who have bragged that they have not paid into the system for a few years now, because they have everythign they want, and enough points to cover any new content that is released. You fail to bring these guys up in your VIP -vs- Premium rants, but you sure like to talk about VIP as those who only spend sub money but dont ever buy anything else, which is misleading on both accounts.

Well that makes them part of the problem, not part of the support population. Because all they seem to do is live to deride and insult we who do on the forums and in game. honestly unless you spend at least 400 bucks a year like i and alot who care to see DDO keep going do, do you think your tight fisted skin flint opinion will even be heard by turbine?

DDO the subscribe and grind game failed and died. You play and pay your way and I will mine, and keep your mouth shut on your opinion of how I spend mine or I will happily report you as I have others for harassment. Do you think admin appreciates you saying or doing anything that makes someone supporting them feel less inclined to?

The premium payment plan failed as well, the minute Turbine gave people they ability to buy points in a lump sum years ago, then never have to pay into the system ever again. It was another good short term decision that turned out to be a bad long term decision, which is not surprising, because the new plan of attack, p2w is the same type of decision.

The reality of premium -vs- VIP which continues to escape you, is that regardless of payment plan chosen, both have players who spend far above and beyond what they are required to, and both have leeches who continue to play the game at little to no cost. You continue to attempt to separate the leeches from the spenders by labeling the premium the spenders and the VIP the leeches, which is false. VIP have the same potential to spend in the store as premium does.

From here on out I will be treating people who use the term P2W directed at a person specifically or a group in general as no different then using any other derogatory or hate speech and reporting it as such. Then we can find out who turbine sides with and end this BS for once and all.

And we can just report you for harrassing people by painting a false picture with your little agenda stamped on it about their payment choice and how it supposedly defines their contribution to the game. Continue to badmouth VIPs in this fashion, and get reported for harassment, not sticking to the thread topic, and bringing up old disagreements in new threads, all of which are against the rules.

[Sonos]

ibtl

[Drekisen]

Is it really worth being this way over an MMO......from where I stand since F2P and the store came into the picture

Turbine is NOT forcing you to pay a sub
Turbine is NOT forcing you to buy things from the store

You could cancel your sub anytime and still be able to play
You can grind TP's and actually get stuff for free
You can sub for a while and save your points and at the same time rack up in game TP's too and eventually "buy" what you want

I don't know...it seems like we have more options now than we did before.....so I ask again...why is this such a bad thing?

[GermanicusMaximus]

ibtl

Possibly, but probably not. Part of appealing to the WoW crowd was not only changing the game mechanics but also a loosening of what is allowed on the forums. Really, it would have been tedious to infract and then ban all the WoWers under the previous interpretation of the forum guidelines.

If you doubt that the general discourse in the game has changed, you really only need look at some of the messages conveyed during the Great Phantom LFM Scandal of 2012. I've been hearing for some time from guildies that the amount of racist, sexist and homophobic comments in game has increased dramatically since MotU arrived. Apparently, that is the price Turbine is willing to pay to keep the game afloat. The exchanges on the forums are mild and civilized in comparison.

[Postumus]

Possibly, but probably not. Part of appealing to the WoW crowd was not only changing the game mechanics but also a loosening of what is allowed on the forums. Really, it would have been tedious to infract and then ban all the WoWers under the previous interpretation of the forum guidelines.

If you doubt that the general discourse in the game has changed, you really only need look at some of the messages conveyed during the Great Phantom LFM Scandal of 2012. I've been hearing for some time from guildies that the amount of racist, sexist and homophobic comments in game has increased dramatically since MotU arrived. Apparently, that is the price Turbine is willing to pay to keep the game afloat. The exchanges on the forums are mild and civilized in comparison.

The forums are a FAR CRY better than two years ago where every other post was "FAIL," "HI W>>>," "LOLWUT," "GIMP," "NOOB" etc. The forum mods have done a great job getting rid of that element.


I don't see any special catering to 'wow' people going on.

[Sonos]

Possibly, but probably not. Part of appealing to the WoW crowd was not only changing the game mechanics but also a loosening of what is allowed on the forums. Really, it would have been tedious to infract and then ban all the WoWers under the previous interpretation of the forum guidelines.

If you doubt that the general discourse in the game has changed, you really only need look at some of the messages conveyed during the Great Phantom LFM Scandal of 2012. I've been hearing for some time from guildies that the amount of racist, sexist and homophobic comments in game has increased dramatically since MotU arrived. Apparently, that is the price Turbine is willing to pay to keep the game afloat. The exchanges on the forums are mild and civilized in comparison.

Funny you should mention it, because on my way home from work, I kind of felt like I shot my ibtl wad too soon. I've never posted that b4 and it was premature. She tells me it's ok, but I don't feel like it's ok. What? Wait, what were we talking about?

Oh yeah! Forum maturity.

Oh? On the LFMs? I haven't noticed a surge in slurrs thank goodness, because that would bother me. I remember seeing some humorous LFM phantoms but not racist, sexist, etc. I believe it though.

I do want to say that all in all, I have THOUROUGHLY enjoyed the DDO community as a whole. Coming from mostly FPS and the like, the person who turned me on to the game told me how there are more adults playing DDO and what not. So compared to the FPS games and the like, it felt really nice to just have funny and fun conversations with adults and even children that are far more mature than many adults in a shoot em up game.

I really believe it is one of the strong points of the game. There are others but it is where DDO shines over many other games.

[psykopeta]

So you are a financial supporter as me and many others out there. Try to read better the post of those complaining about p2w, the problem is not the store itself..the problem is that lately they started adding a lot of p2w items in the store. DDO didn't start as a p2w game, but it's becoming one with every new update.

1 suggestion: every time you pay for something, let them know what's going wrong with that transaction

most times you will get a positive reaction

complaining as forum, community, doing unread suggestion posts... this was doesn't work actually

if i have a grocery, and every time i sell a coke can the client tells me it's not cold enough, probably i will do it faster than reading suggestions from the mail

that's as a supporter you are, the following text isn't in the same line lol

(starting from the same quote where my reply started)

that maybe means that past method wasn't "enough" effective

once a game is f2p, needs to have p2w, or would sink (broken)

ddo just tries to survive, like all other mmorpg, but the fact is it will disappear

sometimes is because the devs

sometimes is because the new players

sometimes is because it's too expensive to mantain

and sometimes...

ddo is sinking, financially, has the worst marketing strategies i could imagine(1 example could be that nice ads in the character sheet lonking to the store for tomes)

that money pursuits makes me think that the global situation is harming every economic aspect in the world, so people spend less money in ddo, and since you can play it for free, more players are leaving the subs and buy less tp

once a company starts this loop (or whatever its called) the only way out is going down, the incoming money won't be the same(will be lower lol) when the company spends less money on the game, etc etc

leave the people pay for their time(or they aren't playing lol) this way ddo can breathe a bit more

PS: not vip, not supporter (economically lol) just interested in a longer experience in a d&d based mmorpg at minimum cost lol

[Klixen]

To me the store items are all about convenience and using my resources optimally - I can earn money to cver a n Otto box in less time that it would take to level from 8-16.

The experience items can be compared to paying to drive on a toll road.