Pay to win much?

[Djeserit]

Otto's Irresistible Holiday Box

A jam-packed bundle that contains the following:

- 1 Stone of Experience: Allows level 8 or higher characters to immediately level up to level 16! To use this item, your character must be level 8 to 15. This item is tradable, but is not auctionable or sellable to vendors.


I worked hard to get my completionist. I've been playing a while more than is good for me, and I've sadly never pulled a +4 tome.

This kind of thing diminishes my enjoyment of the game and will make me buy less Turbine Points, not more.

But perhaps I am in the minority. I understand there is a newly hired chief of 'Pay to win', so I suppose we will be seeing more of this.

[DanteEnFuego]

So, this is the same stuff as the other thread with 300+ posts?

[DanteEnFuego]

My bad, 250+

[MsEricka]

And just like those other threads, no one can explain how you "win" by getting to 16 and still needing millions of XP more to cap.

[Memnir]

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[katz]

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Memnir wins thread... yet again.

[Bacab]

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In regards to this game...some people have more free time than others. Some people have more expendable income than others.

Not up to you to judge others.

Play the game the way you want to...don't worry about others.

My loot that dropped in my name is mine to do what I please.

My resources that I earned (free time? money? make my wife play for me?) and I can use them however I want.

[Zonixx]

Considering you cannot actually win at DDO, only fulfill your own personal goals (which I include completionist into this category, even though it technically says you "win" ddo, we all know it is just a personal achievement that by no way makes you "win" the game). I do not think the ''paying to win'' argument can be made.

Can you argue that is it frustrating that people with some spare cash can level a lot faster and reach some goals you are aspiring for faster by buying it? Sure, but that is the nature of a free to play game. You do not have to pay a dime to play DDO, no one is forcing you to pay a penny but keeping the servers alive and the staff employed costs money that cannot come out of thin air. This is something you just have to accept to enjoy and play the game at whatever cost you are willing to spend. Instead of focusing on all the negatives about paying to "win", how about play the game and focus on how much fun you are having leveling up, getting completionist the hard way, getting your 20th completions, destinies completed, etc.

Also, one last thing. People who are willing to pay real $ are always going to have an advantage. That's life, even without these leveling stones there's nothing stopping people with $ from buying high level characters. Sure its not "legit" because Turbine does not get their share of the money from the transaction, but it can and STILL DOES AND WILL HAPPEN regardless of what game you play, free to play, pay to win, pay to subscribe, or whatever. So again, instead of focusing on what everyone else is doing to get their goals accomplished, have fun with yours however you get them done.

[sirgog]

This pay to cheat garbage is the way DDO is going.

The XP system is broken beyond belief, but instead of fixing it to make the game more fun, someone comes along and sells a cheat code.

How long will it be until they start selling extra uses of '/stuck' and adding stuck spots to quests deliberately?

[pHo3nix]

This pay to cheat garbage is the way DDO is going.

The XP system is broken beyond belief, but instead of fixing it to make the game more fun, someone comes along and sells a cheat code.

How long will it be until they start selling extra uses of '/stuck' and adding stuck spots to quests deliberately?

Exactly...as Chai said in the other threads, the game is no more the product, DDO store items are the product, the game is just the environment in which the thing you buy in the store are used.

Oh, and pay2cheat is probably a better way to put it than pay2win, at least people won't start complaining that you cannot win DDO, without understanding what pay2win really means

[Drekisen]

Honestly it doesn't bother me.....the game is just as if not more enjoyable as I found it when I started except now there are a bunch more people willing to "P2W" to fund it.

I find it rather amusing to be someone who is not a P2W player....but has been playing since the early days......putting together a pug and outplaying people who rely on the store.

It's a choice really....one no one has to use......and I find in the end people who use the store for everything turn more into P2L rather than P2W.

DDO is still it's own thing......it just needed some of the other stuff popular to MMO games to thrive.

That being said I really do think you should have to have at least one fully capped TR character in your account somewhere before you can use an XP stone on one of said accounts characters.

[Aurora1979]

Yea because people that can pay extra for things are cheats.

Just like those cheaty cheaters that pay for private healthcare instead of NHS, dam cheaters!

Or that bloke who's got a faster more expensive car, he must be a cheater too.

Or that person that paid extra for the "que-jumper" ticket at the theme park.

There is no cheat, at worst its "pay-to-save-time"

OP, good job, another thread on the topic was just what we needed, the previous whine nearly dropped to page two! :O

[pHo3nix]

Yea because people that can pay extra for things are cheats.

Just like those cheaty cheaters that pay for private healthcare instead of NHS, dam cheaters!

Or that bloke who's got a faster more expensive car, he must be a cheater too.

Or that person that paid extra for the "que-jumper" ticket at the theme park.

There is no cheat, at worst its "pay-to-save-time"

OP, good job, another thread on the topic was just what we needed, the previous whine nearly dropped to page two! :O

And your examples demonstrate what? In a game, once you bought it, things are supposed to be fair..you can pay what you want in cosmetics and convenience, but you shouldn't be able to circumvent game rules or obtain unfair advantages.

If you got a porsche and i got a 500 there's nothing wrong at all, unless we are supposed to make a fair race, in which case we should both have the same car

[Sonos]

And your examples demonstrate what? In a game, once you bought it, things are supposed to be fair..you can pay what you want in cosmetics and convenience, but you shouldn't be able to circumvent game rules or obtain unfair advantages.

If you got a porsche and i got a 500 there's nothing wrong at all, unless we are supposed to make a fair race, in which case we should both have the same car

Oh right! This game is a race :P I forgot. Between you and I, who is winning right now?

[pHo3nix]

Oh right! This game is a race :P I forgot. Between you and I, who is winning right now?

In the pay2cheat race i bet you are winning, i only buy Adventure packs, races, classes and cosmetics when i got some spare TP, i'm not supposed to fuel their "smart" marketing moves

[Sonos]

In the pay2cheat race i bet you are winning, i only buy Adventure packs, races, classes and cosmetics when i got some spare TP, i'm not supposed to fuel their "smart" marketing moves

*Buzz Wrong answer. It was a trick question. Because it is not a race. And the winner enjoys the game more. So you might be right in that regard

[Aurora1979]

And your examples demonstrate what? In a game, once you bought it, things are supposed to be fair..you can pay what you want in cosmetics and convenience, but you shouldn't be able to circumvent game rules or obtain unfair advantages.

If you got a porsche and i got a 500 there's nothing wrong at all, unless we are supposed to make a fair race, in which case we should both have the same car

So you agree with me and disagree in the same post? You are saying the same thing I am. We are not in competition with each other so it DOESN'T matter if I have a porsche and you have a fiat.

My example demosntrates that if you have money and spend it on things that save you time that doesn't equal cheating.

It's really not that hard to grasp. Cheating would be doing something that you, as my opposition, are unable to do.

1. I'm not playing against you, I'm playing against the game.

2. You can buy whatever I buy if you so choose.

There is no "unfair advantage" We are not in competion with each other. Also you can buy exactly what anyone else buys if you so choose. Or are you complaining how some people have more money the others?

FWIW, I don't buy much from the store, but I don't get why people are calling others who do cheats.

[Zammied]

P2W or Pay To Cheat... In my opinion its gone way to far. I also don't believe any of this money is going to fix any bugs, so basically we are just lining their pockets. And not only this but it will only progress into un-disputable P2W where we are buying 1-20 and the same people are justifying it with (blah blah blah supporting bug fixes and oh i mean, ive already leveled 1-20 before, and what exactly do I win) sigh.


Some people will say its just a game, and it is, but you can devalue anything by saying that. Some of us, rightfully or wrongly dont like to have our completionists devalued and such.

This is coming from a Vet, and old school player.

[Ushurak]

Or are you complaining how some people have more money the others?

This.

Every time I hear one of these "p2w" or "p2c" slurs, this is the feeling I get right here.

Financists...they seem to be bigoted towards anyone that appears to be of a higher financial status than themselves.

It is unfortunate that the political environment in RL has infected a video game with its anemia as well.

It is nobodies business what I do with my money or my toon as long as I do not break the CoC or infringe upon anyone else's gameplay.

If I choose to support my 2nd favorite pastime financially...so be it.
If you choose to eat from the same garden as I without offering anything to better it...nothing I can do about it since it isn't my garden anyway.

Live and let live please.

[Thrudh]

And your examples demonstrate what? In a game, once you bought it, things are supposed to be fair..you can pay what you want in cosmetics and convenience, but you shouldn't be able to circumvent game rules or obtain unfair advantages.

If you got a porsche and i got a 500 there's nothing wrong at all, unless we are supposed to make a fair race, in which case we should both have the same car

If it's supposed to be fair, then you can only play the same number of hours I play...

Pretty unfair that you get to keep shooting baskets even when I'm not on court, or you get 10x as many rolls when you play Yahtzee because you have more time on your hands.