What Enchancement DC is working in EE?

[Ape_Man]

Specifically the High Road quests with the obnoxiously inflated CRs?

When that pack first came out I was at a 47-48 Enchantment DC, stuff didn't land, I didn't mind as I didn't put much effort into it.

So I regear, swaps some feats around, change magister focus (gimping my necro in the process) and get the Enchant DC up to a 55. I'm still not happy with the results, it's working better but I'm still not happy with it.

Just fishing for ideas other than not bothering with my caster in this content.

[HalfORCastrator]

Have you tried Mindfog? Works fine for me and my wiz is at your former level or 1-2 dcs below(25int bonus+10base+9spell+3item+2feats=49. I guess 1-2 above). A little less also works fine for my guildy's bard.

If you use Mindfog, maybe it's spell pen?

[akiraproject24]

I only run at a 52 enchant and havent had too much trouble. If Im running EE out there I will usually load mind fog to prep larger groups. I also find that mixing up solid fog, waves and web work wonders in choking up big groups. Of course if the other party members dont utilize it (aka leading mobs in or back in to the kill box) then its not as useful.

[Syllph]

For 10 Spell Points, Hypno will raise your effective DCs by three for six seconds. for 20 Spell points Crushing Despair will lower it by 5. I don't -think- they stack. but that debuff works whether they save or not.

[Ape_Man]

For 10 Spell Points, Hypno will raise your effective DCs by three for six seconds. for 20 Spell points Crushing Despair will lower it by 5. I don't -think- they stack. but that debuff works whether they save or not.

I do that.

Waves+ web looks like a good idea, I haven't tried that yet.

I do mindfog but it's not fast enough when trying to nab **** in a mass hold. But getting stuff gathered in a mind-fogged D-ball, them mass-hold . . . I might be cooking with gas.

Just don't want it to take 200-300 sp per group with it can get to it if requires all these debuffs.

[Nitesco]

The only problem with Mindfog is that it also has a DC and SR. So if you're not landing other Enchantment, Mindfog isn't going to help you that much, unless you're in the 50% range. AFIK the 15 second -5 will save debuff from Crushing Despair does stack with the 6 second -3 will save debuff from Hypnotism. I will have to double check to be 100% certain. I find that my 45 DC Otto's Sphere of Dancing + Mindfog combination lands almost without fail in the easier EE's (Carnival chain etc.). I think SR is by far the biggest factor, because you can endlessly kite stuff through persistent AoE and it will eventually stick.

[Jaid314]

The only problem with Mindfog is that it also has a DC and SR. So if you're not landing other Enchantment, Mindfog isn't going to help you that much, unless you're in the 50% range. AFIK the 15 second -5 will save debuff from Crushing Despair does stack with the 6 second -3 will save debuff from Hypnotism. I will have to double check to be 100% certain. I find that my 45 DC Otto's Sphere of Dancing + Mindfog combination lands almost without fail in the easier EE's (Carnival chain etc.). I think SR is by far the biggest factor, because you can endlessly kite stuff through persistent AoE and it will eventually stick.

mind fog is nice because you can debuff their will saves with something temporary (such as hypnotism), then follow up with a mind fog to make sure their saves *stay* low. especially useful for spells with recurring saves (such as holds... even dancing sphere, though the save happens much less often on that).

[DDOisFree]

High road quests on epic elite in particular are what I was struggling with before TRing my Wizard.

I had 50 necro and 48 enchant DCs, and neither my necro or enchant spells were working reliably.

I have little idea how to get much more DCs, I already had a +7, +1 and +2 stacking int items, +2 necro and enchant DC gear, so all I seem to be missing there is a +8 item, but that would have made my Int odd unless I was a drow instead of human. Yugo pots would give me +1 DC, and I already had to buy a +4 int tome from the DDO store.

Running high road epic elites really made me think that wizards have simply been purposefully gimped for that content, the only useful thing I could do was spam firewalls and irresistable dance.

(I had hypnotize, curse, mind fog, fear, symbol of death, energy drain, mas hold, dancing ball, irresistable dance, but couldn't reliably CC large mobs, not even with fear).

[HalfORCastrator]

High road quests on epic elite in particular are what I was struggling with before TRing my Wizard.

I had 50 necro and 48 enchant DCs, and neither my necro or enchant spells were working reliably.


...(I had hypnotize, curse, mind fog, fear, symbol of death, energy drain, mas hold, dancing ball, irresistable dance, but couldn't reliably CC large mobs, not even with fear)

My 49 enchant dc does just fine. Necro, on the other hand... 52 isn't enough...

[Lycurgus]

Specifically in the Highroad, 53-55 seems to work reasonably well using just hypno to debuff except on the casters. The casters seem to waltz through dc55 dancing balls at will. Energy drain + hold locks them down nicely, tho.

Still not as effective as dc44 in old epic. *shrug*

[sireric]

My mass hold DC is at 53 right now. with the magister ED I can use the clicky that boosts it by 5 for a few seconds making it 58 and even that doesn't get 100% of all mobs in EE high road quests. But is does get a large chunk of them. follow that up with an otto's irresistible on the stragglers and it is pretty effective.