ranger 18 or ranger 12?

[Ape_Man]

nice ideas.

thinking about throwing toughness out of the build (-37hp)

The need for toughness is deabatable at this time.

i could maybe take combat expertise and whirlwind attack instead of healing.

Don't. just don't.

but since whirlwind is broken and i maybe have enough to click with cleaves, momentum swing, healing seems the better option (quicken and maximize)

yes, it is. I'm of the mind right now if you're not going to build for healing don't build a ranger.

[LordPiglet]

Personally, I would stay with the self healing and keep toughness. You can take TWD for extra PRR instead of combat expertise or otwf.

Toughness is more then 37 hp depending on your race. It's 50+ for a human will all 3 tiers of racial. Personally I keep my tempest as a single target specialist, no cleaves, maybe hamsting or ic ranged at 24, haven't decided.

I have a kensai for cleaving, and massive dps.