Scrolls Seals Shards.

[Munkenmo]

Regardless of my poor math skills, and even with a 1% drop rate for shards, there are what 30 epic items in sands. How many are actually desirable? I can think of 4. Mari Chain, SS ring, Torc and Chaosblade. The rest are utter ****. Totally worthless.

I'll see your 4 items

And I call

Thornlord
Lionheaded belt buckle
Bracers of the Demons Consort
green blade

[Zamzi]

I call your bluff. All 4 of those items are outdated at best. YAY thornlord has a 19-20 crit rate. Bow of Sinew has that, and a x4 modifier and it's ML16. The Epic Greenblade? Trash when compared to skiver, which is easy to get and ML14. Lion Headed Buckle? Sounds good until you realize improved roaring does 0 for your dps, ooooh enemies shaken.... eff that. Demon Consort Bracers. I'm sure that small chance of cause moderate wounds is so powerful, or is it the curse effect? Yeah curse is uber at level 20, or could it be the 30 measly HP it's gives? that'll absorb almost 1/5 of an epic mob hit.

[Munkenmo]

I call your bluff. All 4 of those items are outdated at best. YAY thornlord has a 19-20 crit rate. Bow of Sinew has that, and a x4 modifier and it's ML16. The Epic Greenblade? Trash when compared to skiver, which is easy to get and ML14. Lion Headed Buckle? Sounds good until you realize improved roaring does 0 for your dps, ooooh enemies shaken.... eff that. Demon Consort Bracers. I'm sure that small chance of cause moderate wounds is so powerful.

It's no bluff, I'm definately not sitting on 4aces, I'd say a pair of kings atleast though.

Do you have a palemaster? The consort bracers, and the shaken effect from the lion headed belt buckle are extremely useful and work incredibly well together.

Do the math, and you'd understand the 1[w], +3 modifier, and red slot the epic thornlord has over the sinew do for most builds, make it the better choice.

Also I'm glad you still like your skiver, I remember being impressed when I was starting out by your dual wielding of them. The skiver is still great for levels 14-20, but there are also much scepters from the madness chain now.

The epic greenblade offers most of what the skiver does though, and spell pen ix, making it a nice alternative, definately not the best item in the world, but it's not trash either.

[LordMond63]

While a part of me (the greedy, impatient part) would love to see the 20th completion mechanic extended to all Epic quests, I agree that it would lead to making items that are truly powerful- dare I say, "Epic"?- as common as +1 daggers.

What I think I'd rather see would be the inclusion of the possibility of scrolls, seals and shards being a end reward choice for each Epic (add it to the loot tables), with a higher chance for, say, the 3rd, 5th or some other periodic run. For the 20th, guarantee one of the "rare" seals or shards drops (obviously, while all seals, scrolls and shards are 'rare', some are more rare than others- those would be the ones I'm talking about).

I'm also supportive, though less so, of a trade-in mechanism. Pretty much any change would be a positive.

[Zamzi]

It's irrelevant how they change it to me. Nothing should take more than 100 tries to get. I think that covers things being rare. Who (other than the one naysayer) thinks running something 500+ times is fun. Sorry but a quest loses it's shine after about 20. At 100 you feel like you're bashing your head against the wall. At 1000 it starts to seem pointless. I'm at roughly 1500 over 14 lives (that's EATDQ not the raid), that's beyond insane.

[Munkenmo]

It's irrelevant how they change it to me. Nothing should take more than 100 tries to get. I think that covers things being rare. Who (other than the one naysayer) thinks running something 500+ times is fun.

I offered an idea that would make epic crafting with seals / shards and scrolls 1 third easier. After the 2 years I spent trying to get a kyosho ring, you're well aware of what my opinion is on grind, don't call me a naysayer simply because you're too caught in your own opinions and gloss over wider perspectives.

That doesn't change the fact that I think some things should remain rare, if we can get everything we want within 2 months (assuming raids and no bypasses, for a 20th) what is left?

[Zamzi]

We aren't talking 2 months. I've been grinding that shard for 3 years. I think I've paid my fokking dues. We aren't talking rare or hard to get. We're talking nigh impossible. That's beyond ********.

[Miow]

Le sigh. Can't please everyone.

My personal opinion is most things are easier to get than ever in the game, encompassing the whole of the loot table into this trend might hurt the game in the long run.

I might be wrong but i might also be right.

[slarden]

/signed.

There is less incentive for newer players to buy the old content and it's harder to find people to group with for those quests. Those quests need to be made more appealing. Irmproving some of the worthless gear and not requiring so much grinding to get items would be beneficial.

The primary issue is the raids where you have a 3 day timer and there are fewer of the old raids hosted than there used to be. Also, alot of the vets that have all the gear don't run it as much so I see much less passing of shards/seals than I saw prior to U14.

[GrimGus]

/signed: fix the method to obtaining epic items. grinding a quest sucks, if it has to be more then 10 times its absurd. I would like to see the bta for seals and shards go away as well.