Bravery Bonus Screwy Logic.

[whitehawk74]

Facts:
In the IQ. Highest party member is 19. Quest on Elite is 20.

Normal Logic:
Well you are running this quest before we think you should be running it.
You brave adventurers. If you manage to pull this off I'll give you 10% more of a bonus for being so brave.

DDO Logic:
Well you are running this quest before we think you should be running it.
Screw you. No Bonus of any kind !

This is something that needs to be looked at, and quickly. I dont know why it is like this. Oversight, Working as Intended or Flawed reasoning?

/Grrrrr

[Kmnh]

Facts:
In the IQ. Highest party member is 19. Quest on Elite is 20.

Normal Logic:
Well you are running this quest before we think you should be running it.
You brave adventurers. If you manage to pull this off I'll give you 10% more of a bonus for being so brave.

DDO Logic:
Well you are running this quest before we think you should be running it.
Screw you. No Bonus of any kind !

This is something that needs to be looked at, and quickly. I dont know why it is like this. Oversight, Working as Intended or Flawed reasoning?

/Grrrrr

Symptom of another bug.

There is a very annoying bug going on that doesn't fully log you into the game. You may find guild or party chat not working, the auction house refuses bids, and the bravery bonus table doesn't load.

The easiest way to tell if the bug is active is to check your userchat channels. If they are not there, relog and hope to be fully logged the next time.

[whitehawk74]

I dont think its a bug honestly. I think its an oversight.

[Hutoth]

Facts:
In the IQ. Highest party member is 19. Quest on Elite is 20.

Normal Logic:
Well you are running this quest before we think you should be running it.
You brave adventurers. If you manage to pull this off I'll give you 10% more of a bonus for being so brave.

DDO Logic:
Well you are running this quest before we think you should be running it.
Screw you. No Bonus of any kind !

This is something that needs to be looked at, and quickly. I dont know why it is like this. Oversight, Working as Intended or Flawed reasoning?

/Grrrrr

1. Level 18 quest on elite.
2. No players above level 20.
3. Your first time doing that quest this life.
= Bravery Bonus.

4a. Fail to meet conditions 1-3
4b. Bug
= no Bravery Bonus.

I guess a bug as KMN suggests. But you never know, the problem is often between the chair and the keyboard in my house, maybe yours too.

OR

Are you suggesting there should be a bonus for running quests under level?

[psi0nix]

I think that the OP is saying there should be another bonus for running the quest under-level.

In essence though that is what the elite streak is about, for instance if you are level 10 and you enter a level 10 quest on elite, it becomes lvl 12, and you get the bonus. It's just that some people (or is it a lot?) will level to 12 then go do the level 10 quest on elite and get the bonus that way, but it does hinder you when you go back to do normal (if you're on the usual E,N.N.N.N.N.N.N.N,H type runs.)


I don't see an issue there.

(correct me if i'm misinterpreting).

[whitehawk74]

im saying that we should have got the normal First Time bonus, but because no one was level 20 we didnt get any bonus at all.
a nice PnP DM would give extra XP for all being under level but thats a different issue.

I didnt have a screenshot of that one, but I also noticed it the night before.
Quest is level 22. Highest Player is 21. Re-entered the quest 0 times, but not eligible for the bravery bonus. So what gives?


Am I missing something?
If its a problem between the chair and the keyboard I want to know

[netops]

Most of the time I'm missing a bravery bonus I realise I have run the quest before on that toon and forgotten about it, and it usually the higher level quests when I've been more intrested in the loot than the xp (I'm sure thats not the case).

Do you still get the bonus if your not on the right part of the chain?

[Silverwren]

im saying that we should have got the normal First Time bonus, but because no one was level 20 we didnt get any bonus at all.
a nice PnP DM would give extra XP for all being under level but thats a different issue.

I didnt have a screenshot of that one, but I also noticed it the night before.
Quest is level 22. Highest Player is 21. Re-entered the quest 0 times, but not eligible for the bravery bonus. So what gives?


Am I missing something?
If its a problem between the chair and the keyboard I want to know

It certainly does appear that something is amiss there, but I have to ask: Did you do the quest once PRIOR to becoming level 20? Because I think that you'd get the bonus for doing it on hard epic the first time AND you'd get the message that you've re-entered it zero times on that particular difficulty. In other words, I think that message might be tied to the difficulty of the quest, not the actual quest.

I could be totally wrong on that and I hope I made sense. I'd need someone to back me up on my theory though.

[Dandonk]

im saying that we should have got the normal First Time bonus, but because no one was level 20 we didnt get any bonus at all.
a nice PnP DM would give extra XP for all being under level but thats a different issue.

I didnt have a screenshot of that one, but I also noticed it the night before.
Quest is level 22. Highest Player is 21. Re-entered the quest 0 times, but not eligible for the bravery bonus. So what gives?


Am I missing something?
If its a problem between the chair and the keyboard I want to know

If you ran it on heroic while levelling to 20, you don't get streak bonus in epic version.

[shadereaper33]

im saying that we should have got the normal First Time bonus, but because no one was level 20 we didnt get any bonus at all.
a nice PnP DM would give extra XP for all being under level but thats a different issue.

I didnt have a screenshot of that one, but I also noticed it the night before.
Quest is level 22. Highest Player is 21. Re-entered the quest 0 times, but not eligible for the bravery bonus. So what gives?


Am I missing something?
If its a problem between the chair and the keyboard I want to know

If you had already done this quest at all on any difficulty then you won't be eligible for bravery bonus in it. So, if you did it on heroic elite while leveling, you got the bravery bonus then, and won't get it now.

[CaptainSpacePony]

Do you still get the bonus if your not on the right part of the chain?

Yes

[whitehawk74]

If you had already done this quest at all on any difficulty then you won't be eligible for bravery bonus in it. So, if you did it on heroic elite while leveling, you got the bravery bonus then, and won't get it now.

ahhh.
I did not know that. I was under the understanding that Heroic and Epic were separate. Thanks.

[Ragons]

I believe that when the a quest has Heroic normal and epic normal, the bravery bonus is calculated on the lowest normal which is Heroic normal. Lords of Dust is a level 16 quest that has epic levels so the bravery bonus would be calculated on Heroic nomal. Since there were players above level 18, bravery bonus would not come into play for xp.

[Silverwren]

I believe that when the a quest has Heroic normal and epic normal, the bravery bonus is calculated on the lowest normal which is Heroic normal. Lords of Dust is a level 16 quest that has epic levels so the bravery bonus would be calculated on Heroic nomal. Since there were players above level 18, bravery bonus would not come into play for xp.

Nope. Look at the picture. It's a level 22 quest. If he had NOT done the quest on Heroic difficulties he would have received a bonus based on his level (21?) and the quest level 22. However since it appears that he had done the quest once before turning level 20, he didn't get a bonus.

[Ragons]

It is a level 16 quest with epic levels, bravery bonus would be based on heroic normal not epic normal. it doesn't matter if it is epic hard since it had players beyond level 18 there would be no bravery bonus.

[Cardoor]

It is a level 16 quest with epic levels, bravery bonus would be based on heroic normal not epic normal. it doesn't matter if it is epic hard since it had players beyond level 18 there would be no bravery bonus.

Think that one through a little...it would make BB impossible on every Epic quest that has an heroic normal version because you can not enter them until you are lvl 20. The quest in the screenshot would be lvl 21 on epic normal (not 16).

[Ragons]

Any quest that starts in heroic will kill bb in epic levels. The problem here is that the quest is not 2 different quest, heroic and epic. In this quest the epic is just a higher levels of the same quest like heroic hard and heroic elite so the bb would still be calculated from heroic nomal.

[psykopeta]

last life i lost my bb in a quest lvl 21 with max toon lvl 25, was nice i thought other quest will keep giving me hard bb my first time but dont... once there was a lvl 23 player in a lvl 21 quest i stopped receiving bb

so...bb seems kinda bug at epic lvls

[Silverwren]

Any quest that starts in heroic will kill bb in epic levels. The problem here is that the quest is not 2 different quest, heroic and epic. In this quest the epic is just a higher levels of the same quest like heroic hard and heroic elite so the bb would still be calculated from heroic nomal.

I think you're incorrect. The picture plainly states, in not just one but two places, that it is a level 22 quest. He (and everyone else) most certainly is eligible for bravery bonus, provided he had not previously completed the quest in either Heroic or Epic. You always get a BB your first time in a quest as long as you (and your party, IIRC) fall within the level limits.