Make every quest a walkup

[MRMechMan]

Give us the option to make every quest a walkup.

-This makes window farming possible in places where otherwise, solo, you would need to run back and take the quest from some questgiver.
-For chains, only make them walkups if you have accessed that part of the quest once.
-For raids, only make them walkups when the raid timer is off.

Benefits:
It avoids long walks
losing the window doesn't = horrible reflagging
avoids having to reflag for a chain (ie shadow crypt) after having done it once. that kind of flagging sucks anyway. I don't think anyone would be sorry to see it go.
avoids having to log a box or party with a guildy/friend to farm a quest
avoids having to share/abandon a quest with party members when no one gets the window.
no one has to ever ask for a share

Drawbacks:
They'd probably mess up its implementation.
Don't know where to turn it in.
Some roleplayers would cry.

[SardaofChaos]

So, you've already made yourself pretty clear, but I'm going to go ahead and take it one step further down.

The proposal is to completely legitimize the practice of window-farming, because there is certainly not enough xp in the game to level a character properly. Furthermore, reading text is too hard, and nobody should be forced to torture themselves by being told why they are sneaking into a building disguised as a crime lord.

[Uska]

NO people need to know where the quest giver is to get their reward and there is enough laziness in the game already.

[Memnir]

The proposal is to completely legitimize the practice of window-farming

Just to interject:
Window farming is already, and has been for years now, a totally legitimate and Dev-sanctioned practice.

[Uska]

Just to interject:
Window farming is already, and has been for years now, a totally legitimate and Dev-sanctioned practice.

Actually I think its a Dev-dont care practice

[Memnir]

Actually I think its a Dev-dont care practice

Back in the days of level 10 being cap, one of the Devs chimed in on a thread specifically about window-farming and said it was a totally legit tactic.


So it's not that they don't care... they straight-up said it was kosher.

[Alternative]

/signed

[Deathdefy]

...Furthermore, reading text is too hard, and nobody should be forced to torture themselves by being told why they are sneaking into a building disguised as a crime lord.

I read nothing! Nothing! Ahhahaahahaha.

CTRL-F1 spam every quest giver I talk to, except Prison of the Planes guy and Stealthy Reposession where you have to hit CTRL-F2 once first.

Re: relevance, no one's reading if they don't want to anyway, and everyone's window farming if they want to anyway, so neither of your objections stands.

[Limey]

Make it VIP only

[Lonnbeimnech]

Give us the option to make every quest a walkup.

OG, I would love this.

NO people need to know where the quest giver is to get their reward...

Do people still do that? Pick up rewards? How quaint.

[AZgreentea]

I can see why some people would like this idea, but wow... this would make DDO intensely boring. There are already so many dungeon crawls that are light on plot (like Fate) why does DDO have to be one of them?

[MRMechMan]

I can see why some people would like this idea, but wow... this would make DDO intensely boring. There are already so many dungeon crawls that are light on plot (like Fate) why does DDO have to be one of them?

If the ddo storyline interested me, I would see less of a need for this.

As it is, the suggestion says to give us the option to be able to do this. Option. Some people enjoy running over to house D every time they finish "A relic of a soverign past." I am not one of those people. More choice is better.

The "turning it in every time" is bypassable via sharing and party members anyway...I am just suggesting a way to do that while solo. Having to have a box to share a quest you are farming so you don't have to run a long way is just silly.

Play the game the way you enjoy it; I am merely making a suggestion to enhance my in-game experience in a way that makes sense to me.

I've read every questgivers dialogue at least 10x over many lives...I don't particularly read them anymore, nor care to.

[Silverwren]

Do people still do that? Pick up rewards? How quaint.

Crafters do. Gotta gets me essences!

[Miow]

OG, I would love this.

Do people still do that? Pick up rewards? How quaint.

0.o

[Gkar]

Back in the days of level 10 being cap, one of the Devs chimed in on a thread specifically about window-farming and said it was a totally legit tactic.

So it's not that they don't care... they straight-up said it was kosher.

During the Kommunity Kobold definitive thread (for the time) on exploits vs cheese vs legal KK replied (it might have been in a PM to me) that window farming is totally legit, as long as it didn't bypass a game mechanic that allowed you to avoid required flagging. Basically, if you can legitimately red box it, or you can legitimately retake the quest right away, then it was fine. There are VERY view (are there any left actually?) non-raids in the game where you must be on the right part of the quest chain to enter after you have run the quest at least once.

[AZgreentea]

If the ddo storyline interested me, I would see less of a need for this.

As it is, the suggestion says to give us the option to be able to do this. Option. Some people enjoy running over to house D every time they finish "A relic of a soverign past." I am not one of those people. More choice is better.

The "turning it in every time" is bypassable via sharing and party members anyway...I am just suggesting a way to do that while solo. Having to have a box to share a quest you are farming so you don't have to run a long way is just silly.

Play the game the way you enjoy it; I am merely making a suggestion to enhance my in-game experience in a way that makes sense to me.

I've read every questgivers dialogue at least 10x over many lives...I don't particularly read them anymore, nor care to.

Thats understandable. I just dont know if this is popular enough. Do a lot of people farm quests this way? How would this be implemented and what would the interface be like? Would you rather have them devote time to this or bug fixes? Not that they cant do both, but clearly developing something like this would take at least some resources from bug fixes.

[CaptainSpacePony]

I do not support this proposal. While it is not unreasonable, I fear it would serve to reduce some of the game's flavor. Too much of that, and it sneaks up on you (and the rest of the player base) until you the game just isn't fun anymore.

I could be wrong on this, but we need to be careful about stripping the fantasy veneer off the binary product below. When we stop seeing "blonde, brunette, red head" and always see the Matrix for what it is, most of use will find somewhere else to spend our time. I believe the OP is a step in this direction.

[voodoogroves]

Thats understandable. I just dont know if this is popular enough. Do a lot of people farm quests this way? How would this be implemented and what would the interface be like? Would you rather have them devote time to this or bug fixes? Not that they cant do both, but clearly developing something like this would take at least some resources from bug fixes.

"Farm" has an ugly connotation, but let's be serious - not everything is "OMG RUSTED BLADES 2 MIN RUNS"

I've got a character on a TR who's doing Necro 4 right now. Missing a right frame. Now I have already window-farmed the hell out of VoL, Ghosts, Fleshmakers, and no frame. I don't get XP any more on those. I've done Inferno once, and I know I need to hit it a few times for the frame. I can either (a) go with a group or a buddy to window farm or (b) run back and forth several times. The running and turning in probably takes longer than the quest. This is not "advancing the plot", this is running to the quest entrance. It isn't quite Chains of Flame, but it's a haul.


I've also got a few capped characters who don't get XP penalties. Joy. One thing I like to do when I've got some time is simply to run things solo. Lets say I want to see about getting a seal from one of the quests in the Underdark. Not a speed run, but kinda quick and hit the matron and complete. I want my chests, more typical completions and I'm going to run them on hard. Getting to those quests takes time. Once you run them once, you need to turn them in ... and run back out. I'm not sure about you but from Eveningstar to those quests is even longer than Chains of Flame. I guess this is a backwards way of encouraging grouping - so I window farm those instead of solo them.

I can run all three, but frankly they are annoying to get between. Further, I think I've got all the Szind and DunRobar stuff I want - what I really want to do is a set of Avithouls, etc. ... but I need to group to do that just so I can get someone to work the window.

[Dragon.Star]

/not signed

This would just promote laziness and there would be too many questions on where the reward guy is afterwards. Turbine has already been making things in this game to easy for players.

Do we really need to keep adding the EASY BUTTON.

[redspecter23]

If we've completed a quest (non-redboxed), we should just be able to red box it while in a completed state instead of reaccepting. This means you would have to visit the quest giver at least once (or receive a share if applicable) but you wouldn't have to hold windows, abandon quests or have an opener under many circumstances. This would streamline the process and would be something I could agree with. Making all quests walkups, while similar, does reduce immersion as nobody would ever have to interact with any quest givers ever.