Not a PSA: What are BBs?

[Keybreaker]

In a recent PSA thread started by a guildie about bringing your best contribution to raids, I posted:

This is EXACTLY like all those 1000s of old posts about DR-breakers. Having DR-breakers showed one cared enough to want to contribute, and it typically reflected knowledge or a desire to learn and explore more of the endgame. Not having DR-breakers showed one did not know a basic basic aspect of the game or didn't really care about anyone else's time, just wanted a completion. I remember there were many irate (sometime EXTREMELY UPSET) melees who'd be rejected from shroud because they did not have DR-breakers; their argument was "I WILL NOT GET DR-BREAKERS UNTIL I'M CARRIED THROUGH ~20 SHROUDS SO I CAN MAKE MY MIN2!" Sure buddy. In a world where only you matter. In a world where only your time and your goals matter.

Anyone else experiencing déjÃ* vu? It's the same argument. The same over-reactions.

And the fourth thread I ever posted on the DDO forums back in 2010 was "What are BBs?"

/snip

I never would have dreamed that back then, I'd have a pair of:


Good + Silver + Cold Iron + GEOB...

And ridiculously easy to make some approximation that fits your melee style. But today I met a rogue who not only lived up to the worst stereotypes of rogues but players in general. Squishy, no DR-breakers, inconsiderate of everyone else's time.

In a PuG elite ToD that I joined.

(Party:): [To Party] everyone's here except for *****
(Guild:): [Guild] Kobeyashi: didn't it fill 15 min ago?
(Guild:): [To Guild] *****'s holding the whole group up
(Party:): [Party] *****: switching destinies
... zzz...
... pt1...
(Party:): [Party] *****: silver pls.
... pt2...
(Party:): [Party] *****: silver pls.
... pt3...
(Party:): [Party] *****: silver pls.
(Party:): Your party member, *****, has died.
(Party:): [Party] *****: silver pls.
(Party:): [Party] *****: and in bard destiny. :P

(Standard): ***** added.

Held everyone up to swap to an "off" ED, required constant attention + artie buffs, died in pt3 then gleefully announced that he was in an "off" ED. This is not a PSA. I don't expect anything to change. Just some random thoughts of the day.

TL;DR: Pretty much the same thing I say in every post - Play your best and you will see more of the game.

[fork_aka_spoon]

i know who it is!

[Anthios888]

play your best and you will see more of the game.

+1

[sidgarret]

Lol this post is full of win and only miss - share plz oh and can someone run me to the raid i cant teleport

[Shaatan]

Wait for it !

[MRMechMan]

Bravery bonus, blade barrier, bilbo baggins...

[MattiG]

"never would have dreamed i'd have a pair of...."

just imagine how much less of my time you'd be wasting if you respec'd to THF and crafted the same combo on a two hander...

(i kid, I kid... mostly)

[Ungood]

What ED are you in that is giving you the Gird?

[OldCoaly]

What ED are you in that is giving you the Gird?

I looked it up for you:

http://ddowiki.com/page/Fury_of_the_Wild#Tier_Four

[Ungood]

I looked it up for you:

http://ddowiki.com/page/Fury_of_the_Wild#Tier_Four

Thanks, ED's are still very new to me, and I would have not had the slightest idea where to even start looking.

[Missing_Minds]

Thanks, ED's are still very new to me, and I would have not had the slightest idea where to even start looking.

Google. Search "ddo wiki gird of demons" and the very first hit is

http://ddowiki.com/page/Fury_of_the_Wild

At which point you do a search using your browser's search function for "demons"

Gird is the first hit.

And now you know.

[Ungood]

Google. Search "ddo wiki gird of demons" and the very first hit is

http://ddowiki.com/page/Fury_of_the_Wild

At which point you do a search using your browser's search function for "demons"

Gird is the first hit.

And now you know.

I do find this rather insulting. I mean really, on a on-line site about games and computer gamers, you think anyone doesn't know about Google? Really?

Ok. and the tone of your post makes it pretty clear you need a "Now you know" moment.

When someone asks a question that simple, they don't need some smarty pants telling them "Use Google" because there are either two reasons why they would ask that question in that manner.

The Main reason is - They might not really care or Already Know. In the case of the OP there was this huge image put up by a posters they knew in game. The topic of course was nothing but venting and a bit of self puffery. The reality is, they more then likely asked such a question to let the other poster brag a bit about their Item/Ability/Accomplishment/whatever, or maybe even let the Poster expound on the effects of being in the best ED possible (If you looked at the linked Post in the OP, It would have made much more sense).

Now, I'll be blunt, I don't give a rats booger about what ED he was in, my main (and only active melee) is level 2 Recently TRed, it was a door opener question.

But hey, thanks for telling me to "use Google" I never would have figured that out on my own.

/Sarcasm.

and Now you know.

[SemiraLynn]

Extreme Grinders - "Everyone who is not like me is lazy or stupid."
Heavy Grinders - "Most people not like me are complete n00bs."
Moderate Grinders - "Some of those casual players are frustrating to play with."
Casual Players - "Sometimes those elite players can be rude."
Very Casual Players - "Most highly geared elite running players are snobs."
Extremely Casual Players - "Every high-end player loaded with awesome gear is an elitist jerk."

Most conflicts in DDO seems to be between how much grind different types of people can tolerate. People who grind a lot look down on people who don't grind as much. People who don't grind a lot think those grinders are taking some silly game way too seriously. If people would just stick to their own grinding circle then all would be well. Or at least, when you step out of your grinding circle automatically expect everyone to grind more or less than you. And if you find people who grind the same amount, it's a bonus!

At the end of the day, a lot of people (I would even wager most) don't care if someone is sub-optimal. They don't want a complete piker, but if someone isn't the greatest, then that's okay. It's just a game and as long as the raid/quest is successful all is well. To some that is not good enough and that is fine. But only if you're the party leader. Otherwise it's kind of...too bad.

Also, taking 15 minutes to get to any quest or raid is very inconsiderate. The party leader should have kicked that Rogue!

[trog_star]

and you were doing so well Key, managed to keep yourself in check for a whole page.
Grats man.

[Chette]

There are situations in which a silver weapons buff on a non-DR breaking weapon is superior to a non-silver weapons buff on a DR-breaking weapon, so I'm not sure why you are including their requests for silver in your post. Otherwise I'd agree with you that the person in question was a rather inconsiderate time-waster.

Some of the weapons from caught in the web will surpass a crafted boss beater if given the appropriate buff.

For example - Sireth on a thief-acrobat. No boss beater can complete with a silvered Sireth (which has supreme good but no weapon slots for augments) though I certainly carry one for when there is no arty.

Another example would likely be Pinion, which can be paired with holy or silver arrows, but not both. I don't play any archers, so I've not run the calculations, but based on the uberness of that bow, I would assume it's in a similar situation as Sireth.

[katz]

dang. i sure as heck wouldn't leave a full group waiting for me for 15 minutes. i've been known to bypass ship buffs (or only hit the top level stuff... the resists in our case) and run straight to quest if i was the last one in the group so no one had to wait on me. for an ELITE tod, i might take the extra MINUTE to hit everything so i can be at the top of my game (cuz really that's all it should take to grab all your buffs if you aren't farting around).

as for BBs... i have them, they just aren't always the most ideal. on my rogue/monk i can chose between my devout handwraps, or my holy of greater evil outsider bane wraps that i looted. if there's an arti in the party, you better believe that i will be asking (NICELY...no silver plz from me) for a silver buff. if no arti, or he/she just doesn't cast it (as i've had happen before) i have a passable backup.

[Noneof]

I know who it is also. I was the Artie in that group.

It was very irritating waiting for that person to get to the quest. He wasn't the last to join (three others joined after) and had more than five minutes to buff before the group filled.

The worst part about the wait was that the person was constantly typing in chat. Probably could have saved five minutes there.

[Qezuzu]

Did you ask him to hurry up? Even once?

When you saw his HP and behavior, did you ask if he had BB's? If he said he would need artie buffs to break DR, would you have explained whether or not the artie would provide them?

[Keybreaker]

Did you ask him to hurry up? Even once?

When you saw his HP and behavior, did you ask if he had BB's? If he said he would need artie buffs to break DR, would you have explained whether or not the artie would provide them?

It was a party I joined, not a party I hosted. I generally assume other players will be sane, considerate, and at least of average intelligence. Despite some hyperbole about PuGs on the forums, I'm usually right. I usually try to be helpful and not only suggest strategies but also explain the reason behind the strategy. I also try to listen to other players. Some people might find that boring, but there are other players who want to see as much of the game as possible. There's a balance where you must ask certain basic questions and give basic advice, but you have to respect and trust other players' decisions. You can't ask every possible question or make a laundry list of every possible requirement in the LFM.

However, sometimes I meet people who are insane, inconsiderate, or stupid. People have a right to play this game how they want. I respect that. I also have a right to play the game how I want, and I choose to ignore and avoid as many of the insane, inconsiderate, or stupid people I have the misfortune of meeting. They're in the distinct minority anyway. None of them are forced to play with me, and I shouldn't be forced to play with them.