The Ninja of Doom

[scottmike0]

Hello People... Well here is a build i thought of it is a 28 point build- for beginners or any person
what this build allows you to do is very amazing.. It gives you ac or even a damage increase set up
allows you to have the greatest feat ever (whirl wind attack) and even more... send feedback or anything about the build
[please note the stats below include +6 item and 45 hp item and + 2 tomes at the end] to see what it is without it, just reduce the hp and whatever else you do not get by the time at 20]

 Monk 7 / Rogue 7 / Ranger 6
Male Human (Lawful Neutral)

HP: 383
SP: 170
AC: 28

SAVES
FORT: 18
REFL: 24
WILL: 17

BAB: +16/+16/+21/+26

STR: 22 (+6)
DEX: 28 (+9)
CON: 22 (+6)
INT: 20 (+5)
WIS: 26 (+8)
CHA: 16 (+3)

Balance: 33
Bluff: 27
Concentration: 25
Diplomacy: 7
Disable Device: 27
Haggle: 7
Heal: 8
Hide: 15
Intimidate: 3
Jump: 14

Listen: 8
Move Silently: 19
Open Lock: 22
Perform: n/a
Repair: 5
Search: 28
Spot: 8
Swim: 6
Tumble: n/a
UMD: 26

Character Generated Using: DDO Character Generator
Direct Link to Build: http://www.ddochargen.com/home.aspx?build=35183

Monk 7 / Rogue 7 / Ranger 6
Male Human - Lawful Neutral
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LEVEL 1:
Race Selected: Male Human
Alignment Selected: Lawful Neutral
Class Selected: Rogue (Rogue 1)
Abilities Raised: STR: 14, DEX: 14, CON: 14, INT: 12, WIS: 14
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +4 (4), Bluff +4 (4),
Diplomacy +4 (4), Disable Device +4 (4), Haggle +4 (4),
Jump +4 (4), Move Silently +4 (4), Open Lock +4 (4),
Search +4 (4), UMD +4 (4)
Feats Selected: Toughness, Dodge
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LEVEL 2:
Class Selected: Ranger (Ranger 1 / Rogue 1)
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +5 (5), Disable Device +1 (5),
Search +1 (5)
Feats Selected: Favored Enemy (Lawful Outsider)
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LEVEL 3:
Class Selected: Ranger (Ranger 2 / Rogue 1)
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +1 (6), Disable Device +1 (6),
Jump +2 (6), Search +1 (6), UMD +1 (5)
Feats Selected: Mobility
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LEVEL 4:
Class Selected: Monk (Ranger 2 / Monk 1 / Rogue 1)
Abilities Raised: DEX: 15
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +1 (5), Concentration +1 (7),
Disable Device +1 (7), Search +1 (7)
Feats Selected: Zen Archery
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LEVEL 5:
Class Selected: Monk (Monk 2 / Ranger 2 / Rogue 1)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +1 (6), Concentration +1 (8),
Disable Device +1 (8), Search +1 (8)
Feats Selected: Stunning Fist
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LEVEL 6:
Class Selected: Ranger (Ranger 3 / Monk 2 / Rogue 1)
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +1 (9), Disable Device +1 (9),
Search +1 (9), UMD +2 (7)
Feats Selected: Spring Attack
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LEVEL 7:
Class Selected: Ranger (Ranger 4 / Monk 2 / Rogue 1)
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +1 (10),
Disable Device +1 (10), Search +1 (10), UMD +2 (9)
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LEVEL 8:
Class Selected: Ranger (Ranger 5 / Monk 2 / Rogue 1)
Abilities Raised: DEX: 16
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +1 (11),
Disable Device +1 (11), Search +1 (11), UMD +2 (11)
Feats Selected: Favored Enemy (Construct)
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LEVEL 9:
Class Selected: Ranger (Ranger 6 / Monk 2 / Rogue 1)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +1 (7), Concentration +1 (12),
Disable Device +1 (12), Search +1 (12), UMD +1 (12)
Feats Selected: Power Attack
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LEVEL 10:
Class Selected: Monk (Ranger 6 / Monk 3 / Rogue 1)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +1 (8), Concentration +1 (13),
Disable Device +1 (13), Search +1 (13)
Feats Selected: Path of Inevitable Dominion
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LEVEL 11:
Class Selected: Monk (Ranger 6 / Monk 4 / Rogue 1)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +2 (10), Disable Device +1 (14),
Search +1 (14)
Tomes Applied: INT: +1
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LEVEL 12:
Class Selected: Monk (Ranger 6 / Monk 5 / Rogue 1)
Abilities Raised: DEX: 17
Skills Ranks Raised: Disable Device +1 (15),
Search +1 (15), UMD +1 (13)
Feats Selected: Improved Critical (Bludgeoning)
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LEVEL 13:
Class Selected: Monk (Monk 6 / Ranger 6 / Rogue 1)
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +2 (15),
Disable Device +1 (16), Search +1 (16)
Feats Selected: Combat Expertise
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LEVEL 14:
Class Selected: Rogue (Monk 6 / Ranger 6 / Rogue 2)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +4 (14), Disable Device +1 (17),
Search +1 (17), UMD +4 (17)
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LEVEL 15:
Class Selected: Rogue (Monk 6 / Ranger 6 / Rogue 3)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +4 (18), Bluff +3 (7),
Disable Device +1 (18), Search +1 (18), UMD +1 (18)
Feats Selected: Greater Two Weapon Fighting
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LEVEL 16:
Class Selected: Rogue (Monk 6 / Ranger 6 / Rogue 4)
Abilities Raised: WIS: 15
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +1 (19), Bluff +4 (11),
Disable Device +1 (19), Open Lock +2 (6), Search +1 (19), UMD +1 (19)
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LEVEL 17:
Class Selected: Rogue (Monk 6 / Ranger 6 / Rogue 5)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +1 (20), Bluff +3 (14),
Disable Device +1 (20), Open Lock +3 (9), Search +1 (20), UMD +1 (20)
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LEVEL 18:
Class Selected: Rogue (Monk 6 / Ranger 6 / Rogue 6)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +1 (21), Bluff +6 (20),
Disable Device +1 (21), Search +1 (21), UMD +1 (21)
Feats Selected: Whirlwind Attack
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LEVEL 19:
Class Selected: Rogue (Rogue 7 / Monk 6 / Ranger 6)
Skills Ranks Raised: Balance +1 (22), Bluff +2 (22),
Disable Device +1 (22), Open Lock +4 (13), Search +1 (22),
UMD +1 (22)
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LEVEL 20:
Class Selected: Monk (Monk 7 / Rogue 7 / Ranger 6)
Abilities Raised: WIS: 16
Skills Ranks Raised: Concentration +2 (17),
Search +1 (23), UMD +1 (23)
Equipment Mods Changed To: HP: 45, STR: 6, DEX: 6,
CON: 6, INT: 6, WIS: 6, CHA: 6
Tomes Applied: STR: +2, DEX: +2, CON: +2, INT: +2,
WIS: +2, CHA: +2
Enhancements Selected: Rogue Haste Boost I,
Rogue Damage Boost I, Rogue Dexterity I, Improved Jump I,
Improved Tumble I, Way of the Patient Tortoise I, Racial Toughness I,
Monk Improved Recovery I, Ranger Favored Damage I,
Rogue Damage Boost II, Rogue Sneak Attack Training I,
Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I, Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I,
Ranger Tempest I, Human Adaptability Wisdom I, Adept of Wind,
Adept of Rain, Ten Thousand Stars, Improved Jump II,
Improved Tumble II, Monk Wisdom I, Racial Toughness II,
Ranger Favored Damage II, Winters Touch, Monk Ninja Spy I,
Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I, Improved Hide I, Improved Hide II,
Human Greater Adaptability Dexterity I, Rogue Dexterity II,
Improved Move Silently I, Improved Move Silently II,
Rogue Assassin I, Rogue Sneak Attack Training II, Rogue Haste Boost II,
Rogue Haste Boost III, Rogue Sneak Attack Training III,
Human Versatility I, Human Versatility II, Human Versatility III,
Human Improved Recovery I, Unbalancing Strike, Way of the Patient Tortoise II,
Ranger Sprint Boost I
Stats at End of Level 20:
HP:383 SP:170 AC:28 FORT:18 REFL:24 WILL:17 BAB:+16/+16/+21/+26
STR:22(+6) DEX:28(+9) CON:22(+6) INT:20(+5) WIS:26(+8) CHA:16(+3)
Balance:33, Bluff:27, Concentration:25, Diplomacy:7,
Disable Device:27, Haggle:7, Heal:8, Hide:15, Intimidate:3,
Jump:14, Listen:8, Move Silently:19, Open Lock:22,
Perform: n/a, Repair:5, Search:28, Spot:8, Swim:6,
Tumble: n/a, UMD:26

[scottmike0]

Can i get some comments o.o

[Brennie]

An interesting idea, but your general premise needs some work. Here are a couple cbits of constructive critisism that first come to mind:

• A "newbie' build shouldn't be overly complicated, shouldn't include P2P classes/races (like monk), or expensive items (like tomes) to function. I can't say I'd recommend a build like this to a new player for just these reasons.

• Your stats are all over the place. You seem to be trying to get a decent amount of every single stat except charisma, which will only end up mediocre in all stats, with a taxing amount of gear devoted to stats. This is not very friendly for a 28 point build (or even a 32 point build!). Infact, you end up with Dex being your highest stat, when it is arguably the least useful!

• I'm not sure what the point of having 6 rogue in here is. Going with 12 monk gets you ninja spy 2, which gives you 2d6 sneak attack (Net loss of 1d6 sneak attack + whatever enhancements), but also nets you a lot more Monk goodies which more than make up for it, including increase in monk fist damage which more or less cancels out the sneak attack loss. You could even go 12 monk/1 rogue/6 ranger, with 1 level of wiggle room for whichever class, and keep the trapskills if that is your aim.

• You invest in Zen Archery and 10k stars, on a character that I assume is not ranged focused. Although you get some freebies from Ranger to make using bows occasionally useful, ranged combat will always perform poorly unless FULLY specced for it. You'll be better than a melee monk at killing enemies you can't get into melee range with, but a devoted archer or any caster will take out those enemies 10x faster. And since so much of your damage is tied up in sneak attacks, melee will give you much better overall damage output.

• On a positive note, you do hit all the major checkboxes: Starting con no less than 14, major feats (Toughness, Improved Crit, GTWF). I would argue that on a sneak attack focused character, precision would be a better choice than power attack, especially for one who plans to use a bow with any frequency, but both are good choices. The feat basics are solid here.

• Whirlwind attack is not really all that good. Certainly not worth four feat prereq. While dodge - > mobility -> spring attack are necessary for tempest I, combat expertise is a clear waste of a feat (and starting int points) just to get Whirlwind Attack. For that same two feat cost, you could get Cleave and Great Cleave, giving you two feats to cycle between for hitting multiple melee attackers.

All in all, I don't think this build would perform particularly well. It spreads itself too thin, needing so many stats, waffling between melee and ranged, picking up several unnecessary levels of rogue, with no clear role or purpose. It is certianly not viable for a new/free player.

My rating: C- Could be played and perform medium well, but wouldn't be particularly good. Minus points for missing its original intention (newbie build)

[scottmike0]

An interesting idea, but your general premise needs some work. Here are a couple cbits of constructive critisism that first come to mind:

• A "newbie' build shouldn't be overly complicated, shouldn't include P2P classes/races (like monk), or expensive items (like tomes) to function. I can't say I'd recommend a build like this to a new player for just these reasons.

• Your stats are all over the place. You seem to be trying to get a decent amount of every single stat except charisma, which will only end up mediocre in all stats, with a taxing amount of gear devoted to stats. This is not very friendly for a 28 point build (or even a 32 point build!). Infact, you end up with Dex being your highest stat, when it is arguably the least useful!

• I'm not sure what the point of having 6 rogue in here is. Going with 12 monk gets you ninja spy 2, which gives you 2d6 sneak attack (Net loss of 1d6 sneak attack + whatever enhancements), but also nets you a lot more Monk goodies which more than make up for it, including increase in monk fist damage which more or less cancels out the sneak attack loss. You could even go 12 monk/1 rogue/6 ranger, with 1 level of wiggle room for whichever class, and keep the trapskills if that is your aim.

• You invest in Zen Archery and 10k stars, on a character that I assume is not ranged focused. Although you get some freebies from Ranger to make using bows occasionally useful, ranged combat will always perform poorly unless FULLY specced for it. You'll be better than a melee monk at killing enemies you can't get into melee range with, but a devoted archer or any caster will take out those enemies 10x faster. And since so much of your damage is tied up in sneak attacks, melee will give you much better overall damage output.

• On a positive note, you do hit all the major checkboxes: Starting con no less than 14, major feats (Toughness, Improved Crit, GTWF). I would argue that on a sneak attack focused character, precision would be a better choice than power attack, especially for one who plans to use a bow with any frequency, but both are good choices. The feat basics are solid here.

• Whirlwind attack is not really all that good. Certainly not worth four feat prereq. While dodge - > mobility -> spring attack are necessary for tempest I, combat expertise is a clear waste of a feat (and starting int points) just to get Whirlwind Attack. For that same two feat cost, you could get Cleave and Great Cleave, giving you two feats to cycle between for hitting multiple melee attackers.

All in all, I don't think this build would perform particularly well. It spreads itself too thin, needing so many stats, waffling between melee and ranged, picking up several unnecessary levels of rogue, with no clear role or purpose. It is certianly not viable for a new/free player.

My rating: C- Could be played and perform medium well, but wouldn't be particularly good. Minus points for missing its original intention (newbie build)

well... to just think is not exactly the same to play... certainly most assumptions are coming out of your theoretical brain and less playing brain...
but anyways i do like the feedback...

the main goal of this build is to survive as a melee without having to use much amount of resources...
and certainly.. dex it self is hardly ever going to get as much buffs as compared to strength....
There is numerous of strength items that can raise your str..... there are very few of other items that can raise your dex...

2 main reasons i built this build is
A: when your fighting and your needing a heal- then you run *cast scroll heal* range for a bit- then head back to fighting...
B: It has a burst effect
but this build is relent on both ranged and melee - similar to like a druid that has no high or low
its a mediocre build that gets all you need

Just remember thinking a build is not quite the same as playing the build...

I reply so that people can actually try the build and not go based off an assumption