It is time to put a timer on mana pot usage

[Sonos]

The OP title reminded me of Time for Timer.

Nice! Been a long time. Notice no more PSAs on TV to remind people to eat in the US anymore

[Barazon]

Nice! Been a long time. Notice no more PSAs on TV to remind people to eat in the US anymore

True, but the "eat healthy" ones could use a comeback.

[Drekisen]

Nooooooo......it's still alive?!?!?!

*in a pesky mousy kobold union worker voice* You have got to be kidding me!

Any of you every seen The 80's version and recent prequel of The Thing?

If it goes long enough I am sure the alien life forms will convert us into their way of thinking.

NOT!

[Sonos]

True, but the "eat healthy" ones could use a comeback.

Like Don't Drown Your Food

[AbyssalMage]

The real timer needs to be put on the amount of time these radicals can play DDO in a day/week/month...perhaps this madness will end then.

Perhaps you will be less inclined to cry nerf everyday when you wake from your slumber...subconciously dreading playing the game that day you have become addicted to but no longer actually enjoy.

I initially hit "Reply" because I totally am feeling this right now (More on that in a few)...

But I don't like silencing another persons opinion so let them scream, cry, and throw their tantrums. As long as the community reminds Turbine these people do not speak for the rest of us AND Turbine can resist listening to them, then I am fine with them blowing their hot air. Let me know when they have a valid argument about SP pots and I will listen.

Now....

Dear Turbine,

Quit listening to posters like the one in this thread. Multiple posters have used logical reasons why this should not be implemented. That is who you should listen to, the person who uses logic and can support their beliefs with factual information.

Now please fix the AI of caster NPC's. I'm not sure what patch it was, but casters have suddenly decided to cast Dispel/Stun with Direct Damage spells in rapid succession now until your dead. They don't bother casting it on my mercenary Running around corners and using terrain helps but when I get into a room with 2-3 NPC casters, strategy doesn't matter a whole lot when you have 1-3 Direct Damage Spells heading your way followed very closely by a Debuff/stun. I have literally had a perma-blue hexagon over my head on a few quests thanks to the new fanaticism of NPC casters. I know this change most likely came from people like the OP who wants the game more challenging but perma-blue hexagons over my head is not the answer. Not to mention I don't save on a 1, its closer to an 7 to save normally and worse if it's a Will save.

Thanks for looking into this REAL problem and not the hypothetical problem started by the person of this thread.

Thanks,
AbyssalMage

p.s. I don't expect Turbine to actually look at this, but the new fanaticism of NPC casters is a REAL problem, not an imaginary one described by the original poster. To the original poster, I am willing to change my mind once you show me an adventure that can not be completed without SP pots if you have appropriate gear. Until you can show this simple fact, go craw under the rock you crawled out of.

p.s.s. If I can figure out how to post YouTube video's I will be glad to show you the perma-blue hexagonal look so that you can look into the problem. Purchasing Fraps is out of my budget ATM and the free to use software has me stumped currently I can post on a forum but can't record a video. Technology +1; Me -1!

[cpito]

Please refresh my memory. How does real life and / or lag create the need for sp potions?

No matter how many times I retype it in this thread, I still can't do the paying attention for you.

[Gunga]

No matter how many times I retype it in this thread, I still can't do the paying attention for you.

I'm sorry, say again?

[Aashrym]

220hp? Try 350+. Switching weapons is instantaneous and interruption of scrolling is negligible if you know what you are doing(and I'm a noob).

Invaders! and Wiz King past couple days, all difficulties. Healing myself, killing everything and carrying caster and healer soulstones left and right. This is not rare, anyone can do it(again, this noob can). Comparing hp to sp in relation to scrolls vs, pots is most certainly acceptable, except that scrolls are more easily available.

Nerf the pots and watch a whole server looking for casters and divines, the few good enough and brave enough will only group with the best.

350+ means wand and scroll mastery and a lot of healing amplification. The scroll does 110 without wand and scroll IV which is something a fighter, for example, won't have. 192 is what the scroll does for someone with wand and scroll IV on a +75% class like a bard or rogue. +330 is what I get with wand and scroll IV PLUS healing amp.

Casters cap at +55% and the target needs the healing amp on top of it to get 350+ from scrolls. That pushes the envelop on enhancement plus gear and demonstrates healing amp is very powerful instead of heal scrolls themselves.

What build and equipment are you using for that in wizking to and scroll heal yourself with those numbers?

[WruntJunior]

350+ means wand and scroll mastery and a lot of healing amplification. The scroll does 110 without wand and scroll IV which is something a fighter, for example, won't have. 192 is what the scroll does for someone with wand and scroll IV on a +75% class like a bard or rogue. +330 is what I get with wand and scroll IV PLUS healing amp.

Casters cap at +55% and the target needs the healing amp on top of it to get 350+ from scrolls. That pushes the envelop on enhancement plus gear and demonstrates healing amp is very powerful instead of heal scrolls themselves.

What build and equipment are you using for that in wizking to and scroll heal yourself with those numbers?

Uhuh. My character, which is most definitely a fighter, disagrees.

Granted, wand and scroll mastery help a bit, but getting to 100% healing amp isn't exactly a super-difficult task. Also, you're not locked into a heal scroll hitting a fighter having to be used by the fighter, so you can get even higher numbers pretty easily.

Edit: Wand and Scroll Mastery I (which grants +30% benefit...my fighter only has II, which is +45% benefit) requires only the 2 levels of rogue that most non-normally-umd classes would have to be able to both umd and have evasion, if they are able to use heal scrolls. This pretty much only leaves out the minority of classes, like monks, who get much more healing amp anyways. Anyone getting 220 or less from a heal scroll should either be pretty low level, or they don't really know what they're doing.

[Sonos]

350+ means wand and scroll mastery and a lot of healing amplification. The scroll does 110 without wand and scroll IV which is something a fighter, for example, won't have. 192 is what the scroll does for someone with wand and scroll IV on a +75% class like a bard or rogue. +330 is what I get with wand and scroll IV PLUS healing amp.

Casters cap at +55% and the target needs the healing amp on top of it to get 350+ from scrolls. That pushes the envelop on enhancement plus gear and demonstrates healing amp is very powerful instead of heal scrolls themselves.

What build and equipment are you using for that in wizking to and scroll heal yourself with those numbers?

Oh no, those 2 pieces of data are not together. It's a helf 12monk/1fighter/2druid with monk, human hamp + GotC + epic jidz will hit that high but that's at 20+ level. There was something else I'm forgetting from last life, I was amazed by 350+ at lvl 25. That's a lot of dmg potential since you can keep on to fight.

Right now I'm only level 15 and without a lot of the gear and don't have alll the hamp enhancements I want. and hitting 192hp, no wand and scroll mastery. Out of the last 10 lives on this toon, I have gone mostly some monk derivative to level a lot of the classes(gear stays pretty much the same).

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I wish I was capped to show you I'll come back and post but pretty sure people that know, can affirm that it is completely doable. Also, a guildie showed me a neat way he does it where you make a GS kama with 3 tiers of hamp 10%-20%-30% so you stay centered when you scroll(you do anyway just saying WITH hamp boost).

[Sonos]

Do you think the game requires heal scrolls? Is the sp pool of the healers not sufficient to keep the group healed between shrines without heal scrolls (or sp potions for that matter)?

Did you run eLoB before u14? Pretty sure scrolls are what saved the day.

[smatt]

No matter how many times I retype it in this thread, I still can't do the paying attention for you.

LOL, yep Peech... You're already overloaded paying attention for me

[smatt]

Mobrien316 specified soloing permadeath on elite to level 25 (which requires doing epics). Chai literally said "Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt". Unless Chai didn't actually do what Mobrien316 said, and along with Chai's own admission to never having used an SP pot from earlier in this thread, it shouldn't be any problem for Chai to post as Xynot2 requested.

Now, if Chai can honestly prove that he solos EE content without a pot as he indicated here, I'd have to completely change my opinion of him...this like these few posts here don't leave me with much belief in said ability.

Don't hold your breath, Chai talks a lot... But....

That being said, it really doesn't matter what an individual can do, nor a group..... There is such a wide spectrum of players in a game like DDO.... Listening to self-proclaimed uber people as there are in the is thread isn't a very good idea when it comes to creating a game that aims to have a wide demographic of players. When you start listening to that type, you get a game with 200 people playing.

[GermanicusMaximus]

I smell sarcasm. I think that's sarcasm. I hope that's sarcasm.

You are quite mistaken. If melee toons can swing forever, casters should be able to cast forever.

Cool down times on spells are too long as well. They should be no longer than the "cool down" on a melee toon swinging his weapon. What is that, less than a second?

I know the devs are trying to turn this into a game of unskilled players playing skill free melee toons. I simply don't find the concept particularly interesting. What is interesting is that this entire thread is about taking the one segment of player toons which still require skill (casters) and making them even more difficult to play.

Its time to return some balance to the game. Nerf melee or buff casters. I'd be in here advocating nerfs to melee toons, but I just couldn't stand all the moaning and wailing which would result.

[redoubt]

No matter how many times I retype it in this thread, I still can't do the paying attention for you.

And I like you have stopped paying attention to parts of the thread because people have become less than civil.

I responded to you because I thought you were being civil. Are you done with that? Or can we have a discussion without insults?

[Drekisen]

And I like you have stopped paying attention to parts of the thread because people have become less than civil.

I responded to you because I thought you were being civil. Are you done with that? Or can we have a discussion without insults?

I am not directly speaking to either of you.....ReDoubt I qouted you because it was the last thred I saw and it was easiest..I'm a slacker...sorry.....

but we are far past civil here......people going to war over things as trivial as virtual dogma is just blatantly obscene.

Sometimes I wish DDO would just nuke this game and people could wake up tomorrow and either by addiction or actual love of the game go to sign in and realize they can't log on because it is gone....

Perhaps then everyone in this community would realize how petty such a place as this is to hold so dear...much less to insult and argue over it.

If ever such a place existed to "live and let live"...it's the space of virtuosity.....where no harm can come except for it's creators who actually go against such.

Be careful for what you wish for in threads such as this when beliefs are held to such extreme...you are the true bearers of evil and dismay....and none shall love you ever again until you are adequately punished and humbled....and the threats of your false power are extinguished....even if for one moment you thought you were on the "right" side.

Balance is proper...right is merely the opposite of left...neither are wholely absolute....or correct.

Evil's greatest ally is convincing the the soul that still questions that those that are balanced are good...and that evil is essential to maintain proper balance because evil is the opposite of good.....this...is a farce.

The truly balanced need either absolute good or absolute evil...take your petty battles elsewhere.

[psi0nix]

Oh lawd. Please post the video of you soloing on your caster, without SP clickies or pots, Belly in the Beast on EE so we can put this argument to bed.

This i would like to see.


And a note on the perma-death claims, I call BS, I know a few PD guilds and the levels of the toon within it, level 20 + PD toons are rare. Pics or it didn't happen. . . . . . .

[Sonos]

O.o


I pray to thee oh gods of the Gelatinous Cube(whatever JELLO's makers are called), come forth and consume this vile thread and usher it swiftly back to whence it came.

Here me now! Or I shall grab my +8 Spoon of Eating Alacrity and consume thine creation(as nasty as that would be).


Just sayin', 100 pages is too much 69 is quite fine.

[Ape_Man]

O.o


I pray to thee oh gods of the Gelatinous Cube(whatever JELLO's makers are called), come forth and consume this vile thread and usher it swiftly back to whence it came.

Here me now! Or I shall grab my +8 Spoon of Eating Alacrity and consume thine creation(as nasty as that would be).


Just sayin', 100 pages is too much 69 is quite fine.

I think this is good for 100 pages. Have faith.

[maddmatt70]

I think this is good for 100 pages. Have faith.

It is just the same 15-20 people posting most of which are people afraid the game will implement this. The reality is what I have heard in game is overwhelming positive in regards to reducing the usage of mana pots. People do not understand why mana pots are in game and used like they are albeit not used by everybody or what have yeah, but used by some nevertheless.

This is a bad decision made by Turbine, our dungeonmaster, to have mana pots in game used like they are well dungeonmasters rethink bad decisions all the time.