Ranged Rager?

[marinerfan]

Hey all,
just wondering if this build would be viable. I am about to TR my fighter and can't decide what to make him.

12 barbarian/ 6 ranger/ 2 rogue
What I want with this build:
- trap skills
- UMD (bit of self-healing): will take human hjeal amp and probably make a dragontouched armor with hjeal amp.
- solid dps. I want to manyshot and then make the bad guys regret running up to me when I take out my melee weapons
- decent reflex save

I haven't worked out the details on feats, etc but this will be a 36 point build (my first legend!). Thinking I MAY go with arcane archer 1, but if after playing with the feats that doesn't seem reasonable I'll scrap it.

Any and all feedback is appreciated. Thanks!

If this build would "suck" I'll probably go pure rogue, pure cleric, or maybe pure paladin. (With the alignments, I can't do a barb/pally splash can i? )

*Addendum* This guy will also have +2 tomes for all stats, except maybe dex where he's at +1 currently and he also has a bard past life.

[marinerfan]

Here is a rough plan of action, thing are bound to change. I have never really made a barbarian before so all feedback is more than welcome (what did I miss - especially feat-wise?). I'll probably drop the few points of open lock and go with balance.

Should I take advantage of the free 2wf feats, or do you all think I'd be better off getting a GS axe or maul and go to town with that instead?

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Pseudopod 
Level 20 Chaotic Neutral Human Male
(12 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 426
Spell Points: 25 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 14
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    25
Dexterity            12                    14
Constitution         16                    22
Intelligence         14                    16
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 1

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                     7
Bluff                 4                    23
Concentration         4                     6
Diplomacy             0                     0
Disable Device        7                    26
Haggle                4                     4
Heal                  0                     0
Hide                  2                     2
Intimidate            0                     2
Jump                  9                    21
Listen                0                     0
Move Silently         6                     6
Open Lock             6                    11
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                3                     3
Search                7                    26
Spot                  4                    23
Swim                  5                     7
Tumble                6                     6
Use Magic Device      4                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Human Bonus) Power Attack


Level 2 (Barbarian)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Student of the Sword


Level 4 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 5 (Barbarian)


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 7 (Barbarian)


Level 8 (Ranger)


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 10 (Barbarian)


Level 11 (Ranger)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Barbarian)


Level 14 (Ranger)


Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Power Critical


Level 16 (Barbarian)


Level 17 (Ranger)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution II
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution III
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness III

[unbongwah]

Low DEX means you can't get GTWF, which would be...unfortunate. I also don't understand why you take WF:S & Power Crit but not the Tempest I pre-reqs (although admittedly feats are tight and Tempest doesn't offer the DPS boost it once did).

Have a look at the Amazon; hasn't been updated in a long time, but should give you some ideas for how to combine rgr / barb.

[Therrias]

...and another bowbarian is born.

I would consider 18 barb for the extra crit multiplier on the bow though.

[boredman]

Hello, i think you will want Gtwf feature too (can drop power critical for ic slash at lvl 15 and get Gtwf at level 18 and also drop a little bit str and con to raise your dex to 15 base +2 tome = 17 to get the pre req for gtwf (that little more dex will help also for to hit with manyshot and a little more reflex save).

Also you would like to have IC ranged if want to feel better manyshot, so drop weapon focus for IC ranged too

But if want full many shot potential what you can do is to raise your dex to base 15 +2 raise ability score +2 tome= 19 for Improved precise shot, and drop fighter past life, power critical, weapon focus, great cleave for point blanlk shot, IC Ranged, Gtwf, IPS

Finally i think you will not be able to get any ranger prestige, cause tempest requires 3 not really useful features and arcane archer requires to have some caster features or enhancements (but its not a big deal cause you can spend enhancements on other useful things like human vers. IV, human recovery III). So my suggestion is to go with the best many shot potential (if you want to taste it better) and take Improved precise shot, so you will be using Fotw epic destiny most of the time with both decent twf dps and decent manyshot (IPS can be awesome with manyshot) (also with 2 epic features at lvl 21 and 24 you may be able to get great cleave and OC (23 str base req, make sure to have str 17 base +4 raise +2 tome at least) too i think)

[boredman]

As for Arcane archer prestige i want to say that actually i think you can get it, but will need to drop two more features (could be toughness and oc or gc) for mental toughness and weapon focus ranged so i think you could do that too once you are at a high level with enough hitpoints and swap feats at house j.

(but for leveling i think toughness is more useful and then still will have to see if the hitpoints loss or other feats loss and some enhancements trade for the arcane archer ones is worth or not)

[Kinerd]

I feel like you would accomplish your goals a lot easier by going 18 ranger / 2 rogue or exploiter. Your self-healing will be a lot more reliable, you will have IPS which can be a pretty dramatic increase in ranged DPS, your melee will be much better with 18 ranger GTWF vs. 12 barb / 6 ranger ITWF (and even if both had GTWF you wouldn't be much behind), you'll have a much easier time keeping trap skills up.

You cannot do barb/paladin or barb/monk.

[marinerfan]

Thank you everyone for the ideas!

I have skimmed but am currently slammed with school and will be till friday afternoon. Just because I don't respond to individual ideas doesn't mean I value them and will seriously consider them. As far as what I'm looking for in the build...
Mostly I want the barbarian past life as painlessly as possible. This probably won't be an end-game toon unless I decide I really like him a lot. With regards to manyshot vs. melee, I think I value the melee above the manyshot since I will most likely be fighting up close and personal a majority of the time.

Thanks again

[boredman]

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RagedRanger Barb
Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Male
(12 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 406
Spell Points: 50 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 20
Will: 6

                  Starting            Ending          
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats        
(36 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
Strength             17                 22            
Dexterity            15                 19            
Constitution         15                 17            
Intelligence         14                 16            
Wisdom                9                 11            
Charisma              8                 10            

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 1
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    19
Bluff                 3                     4
Concentration         5                     7
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device        6                    27
Haggle                3                     4
Heal                  1                     1
Hide                  3                     5
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  8                    29
Listen                0                     0
Move Silently         3                     5
Open Lock             7                    22
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                2                     3
Search                6                    27
Spot                  0                     0
Swim                  6                     8
Tumble                7                     9
Use Magic Device      3                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Swim (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 7 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct


Level 14 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 19 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

I think the build has good potential, here there are 3 options you can make at high level about taking a ranger prestige or not.

1. Option. Can take at level 21 the feature IC ranged and at level 24 raise str ability and take Overwhelming Critical

2. Option. Can change Great cleave for dodge, take mobility at level 21 and take spring attack at level 24 if want to take ranger tempest 1

3. Option. Can change level 24 feature for mental toughness and great cleave for weapon focus ranged, to get arcane archer prestige

Also can get full trap skills (search and disable) full jump, umd, decent open lock, decent balance

Finally i think this build is very viable at any of the 3 options suggested (with no ranger prestige, with tempest or with arcane archer), capable of traps, decent twf dps (better dps than exploiter ranger in my opinion), decent manyshot, decent hitpoints, decent reflex with the right gear, etc.

[unbongwah]

I feel like you would accomplish your goals a lot easier by going 18 ranger / 2 rogue or exploiter.

You mean apart from the bit where he says this is meant to be a barb PL?

[marinerfan]

I think the build has good potential, here there are 3 options you can make at high level about taking a ranger prestige or not.

1. Option. Can take at level 21 the feature IC ranged and at level 24 raise str ability and take Overwhelming Critical

2. Option. Can change Great cleave for dodge, take mobility at level 21 and take spring attack at level 24 if want to take ranger tempest 1

3. Option. Can change level 24 feature for mental toughness and great cleave for weapon focus ranged, to get arcane archer prestige

Also can get full trap skills (search and disable) full jump, umd, decent open lock, decent balance

Finally i think this build is very viable at any of the 3 options suggested (with no ranger prestige, with tempest or with arcane archer), capable of traps, decent twf dps (better dps than exploiter ranger in my opinion), decent manyshot, decent hitpoints, decent reflex with the right gear, etc.

Thanks for the layout. For some reason I always struggle with picking feats logically so this will help a lot. Considering the low wisdom, you are right, spot is probably a waste of time and by now I sort of know where most trap boxes are anyways, should free up lots of skill points.

Now I just need to find time to fill 1.5 more bubbles for lvl 20! I'm thinking tempest I isn't worth it. I made a 12 bard/6 ranger/2 rogue with tempest I and she become noticeably weaker after the change to tempest..so...currently BOYCOTT!!!

[Thayion516]

Thank you everyone for the ideas!

Mostly I want the barbarian past life as painlessly as possible. This probably won't be an end-game toon unless I decide I really like him a lot. With regards to manyshot vs. melee, I think I value the melee above the manyshot since I will most likely be fighting up close and personal a majority of the time.

Thanks again

Bard-barian. 12Barb/8Bard. Think about what 8 Bard brings to the Melee/DPS table. Frenzy2/WC1. Heals, songs, blurr, displace, haste ,rage, chant, good hope, invis, wands, and some umd if u decide to. Its the best way to grind a barbardian PL iv found. pretty fun to play actually! Much more to do then hum drum hack and slash barbarian.

[boredman]

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RagedRanged Barb
Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Male
(12 Barbarian \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 406
Spell Points: 50 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 20
Will: 6

                  Starting            Ending          
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats        
(36 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
Strength             17                 22            
Dexterity            15                 19            
Constitution         15                 17            
Intelligence         14                 16            
Wisdom                9                 11            
Charisma              8                 10            

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 1
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    19
Bluff                 3                     4
Concentration         5                     7
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device        6                    27
Haggle                3                     4
Heal                  1                     1
Hide                  3                     5
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  8                    29
Listen                0                     0
Move Silently         3                     5
Open Lock             7                    22
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair                2                     3
Search                6                    27
Spot                  0                     0
Swim                  6                     8
Tumble                7                     9
Use Magic Device      3                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Swim (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 7 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 13 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct


Level 14 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 19 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Ok np, for some reason i missed to put IC slashing at level 9 so here is a little change to do so (also can take the second rogue lvl a bit earlier, to get evasion for quests like the pit or taming the flames). I suggest using a thf weapon from the begining and switching to twf at level 14, when you get itwf, also, if you want to take aa prestige earlier you can take weapon focus ranged instead great cleave at level 12 and then can take mental toughness at level 18, leaving IPS and IC ranged for levels 21 and 24. (you can take stunning blow too, instead IC ranged, if have a good stun dc gear at epic levels).

[boredman]

Bard-barian. 12Barb/8Bard. Think about what 8 Bard brings to the Melee/DPS table. Frenzy2/WC1. Heals, songs, blurr, displace, haste ,rage, chant, good hope, invis, wands, and some umd if u decide to. Its the best way to grind a barbardian PL iv found. pretty fun to play actually! Much more to do then hum drum hack and slash barbarian.

That can be a good option too (can improve solo ability a bit when not raged), but will lose trap skills, evasion and ranged damage, also, far as i know, you cant cast spells while raged so basically you will be using your song and some haste (pots/meele alacrity can be used instead) and displacement (can use scrolls with umd) at barbarian rage cooldowns. (I prefer fighter 12/bard 8 combo instead )

[boredman]

Finally, i think would be interesting to see how goes IPS+manyshot+adrenaline overload+12lvl crit barb power+(maybe slaying arrows with aa prestige), using Fotw epic destiny.

[marinerfan]

Bard-barian. 12Barb/8Bard. Think about what 8 Bard brings to the Melee/DPS table. Frenzy2/WC1. Heals, songs, blurr, displace, haste ,rage, chant, good hope, invis, wands, and some umd if u decide to. Its the best way to grind a barbardian PL iv found. pretty fun to play actually! Much more to do then hum drum hack and slash barbarian.

Not sure how I missed this post..and even more not sure how I haven't thought of this build considering bard is probably my favorite class. This will definitely stay on the table, but my current line of thinking is that I want to be able to do traps. I wish I had thought/asked about this before making the fighter I'm currently trudging along with..sounds like more fun

[Kinerd]

You mean apart from the bit where he says this is meant to be a barb PL?

That was an unknown unknown! If he had said that in the beginning I would have already said "forget the barb PL, TRing is weak, HP power creep, and Carthage must be destroyed" like I do every other time.

[96th_Malice]

Old school bowbarian was awesome .... now "new" bowbarians are still alright BUT getting everything you need ( frenzied beserker ) is just WAY to feat intensive.

Have an old school bowbarian .... love it

Made a frenzied beserker ..... and am currently lesser TRing the toon multiple times to get rid of ALL the barbarian lvls and adding fighter / ranger / monk

I have a couple of these cross class toons and they do WAY more consistant damage over time compared to the 2 minutes of raged fury the frenzied beserker did.

Have fun with your build regardless ... You're the only person that has to enjoy it !!

[marinerfan]

... You're the only person that has to enjoy it !!

Aw yes, that is the goal. I hated the fighter life that I finally just dinged...dps too low, completely awful when it comes to self-healing, no versatility whatsoever. I'm hoping this next life is much more fun, and if not...a year from now when I get enough hp, it's time to make something new!

This bowbarian is happening later today..unless I chicken out and go pure cleric