Acrobat feedback requested

[1halfelf]

I'm toying with the idea of starting a halfling acrobat and I would like a litle feedback on what I have so far. I started reading the thread at http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...hlight=acrobat already. Is there anything I'm obviously missing?

Thanks!

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Iri Mirthhart
Level 20 Lawful Good Halfling Female
(3 Monk \ 17 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 233
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 18
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    20
Dexterity            14                    18
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom               11                    12
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    23
Bluff                 3                    24
Concentration         3                    20
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        6                    25
Haggle                3                    20
Heal                  0                     1
Hide                  2                     9
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  2                    17
Listen                0                     3
Move Silently         4                     9
Open Lock             6                    27
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                6                    25
Spot                  4                    16
Swim                  2                     5
Tumble                6                    32
Use Magic Device      3                    25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Improved Balance I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 2 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I


Level 4 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I


Level 5 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Fortitude) I
Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Fortitude) II


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
Enhancement: Improved Balance II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II


Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II


Level 10 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III


Level 13 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV


Level 14 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III


Level 17 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike
Enhancement: Halfling Luck (Fortitude) III
Enhancement: Rogue Item Defense I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense II

[Vengenance]

It would help if you stated what your goals of the build are. The stat allocations look ok, but other than that I can't comment.

[Jaid314]

a 1 druid splash (if available) is also a popular choice. not sure how much you're using the 3rd monk level, but 1 druid can add ram's might and shillelagh, both of which are nice damage adders.

[1halfelf]

Oops! Goals for the build are:

1) good DPS
2) survivable when soloing
3) have fun with the Acrobat PrE
4) minimal reliance on tomes
5) must be a halfling (the master race! <grin>)

I went 17 rogue/3 monk so that I can easily LR and add an 18th rogue level when Acrobat III finally comes out. My initial thought was indeed 13 rogue/6 monk/1 druid.

The other minor goal I had was to have a somewhat high haggle score, although haggle as a skill is not really all that important.

[Inouk]

The first thing that sticks out to me is using one of your few precious feats on skill focus UMD. As a rogue you should have plenty of UMD anyway, and that feat could go to great cleave, which is one of the best feats in the game IMO.

My next thought is more monk levels give some nice benefits. If you take 6 levels you get another free feat, adept of wind, a monk PrE (if you want one), monk wis II, some extra AC, speed, etc. 7 gets you self healing, improved recovery II. So you should think about a deeper splash than 3 levels (you'd have to give up 2D6 sneak damage and 1 special ability).

Not sure I'd bother with cunning unless you're having trouble hitting. Is this intended to be a str build or dex build? My guess is human or helf would serve you better, but of course that isn't an option if you're playing a themed character.

[Kinerd]

Go TWF. You will do so much more DPS it won't even be funny, and you will get WAY more out of your Fists of Light.

It would also be better to go human, but that's the molehill to TWF/THF's mountain.

[1halfelf]

Good advice! I ditched the UMD feat for Great Cleave. Looks like I needed to be just a hair more clear on build goals though. I want this to be a staff wielding acrobat, so THF is more appropriate. I know --- I'm giving up DPS, but that's what I want to try. Who knows? Maybe by the time I'm leveled up, Turbine might fix the thief-acrobat PrE. <grin>

Any other suggestions are entirely welcome! Thank you!

[Hamlin]

I see people recommend ditching the qstaff and going TWF on an acrobat. I have to strongly disagree. If you're gonna go twf then just go assassin. Way more powerful with twf than an acrobat. Stick with the qstaff for the attack speed bonus, which stacks with haste AND rogue haste boost! The math works out to +60% attack speed bonus with all three going (I admit the haste boost is short term though).

In my opinion you should stick with qstaff and make sure you grab rogue haste boost 4. Get haste and haste boost going, combined with the bonus for your PrE, and you'll look like a freaking helicopter. My guildmates used to love to watch me trash the training dummy.

My acrobat was half-orc for max STR and 2 handed fighting enhancements. As a matter of fact I'm getting ready to TR him again tonight. First life he was part fighter for kensai I (qstaff) and fighter STR enhancements. This time I'm thinking about going pure in anticipation of the enhancement pass (thief acrobat III!!!) but the druid spell shillegei (I know I spelled that wrong) has me thinking about multiclassing a little bit. Decisions.....

[Kinerd]

I see people recommend ditching the qstaff and going TWF on an acrobat. I have to strongly disagree. If you're gonna go twf then just go assassin. Way more powerful with twf than an acrobat. Stick with the qstaff for the attack speed bonus, which stacks with haste AND rogue haste boost! The math works out to +60% attack speed bonus with all three going (I admit the haste boost is short term though).

This is all well and good, but you still only get 1 sneak attack per swing when the TWFer gets 1.8. Assassin is more raw DPS than Acrobat, yes, but therefore going THF on Acrobat is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

The same principle applies even more with a monk splash (and even moreso with Fists of Light). The enhanced staff is barely faster than TWF, it's got no chance against unarmed.