Bllaak Stabbath- Build

[dpadan17]

ok. here's a look at Bllaak Stabbath. Give me some pointers on what tweaks that could POSSIBLY be made. I like the way he is now, just want opinions. Epic Feats will be Extra Sneak Attack die and ???????? Still in debate....Need to fix this

Assassinate d.c. Will be 50. Can do 51 with gear adjust. This build does some great dps as well as assassinate quite well.

Level 20 true neutral Human
(25 Rogue)
Hit Points: 302 - 617 end with no destinies
Spell Points: 0

BAB: 15/15/20/25/25
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 19
Will: 6

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Boats buffs
Strength 14 22 40
Dexterity 15 18 32
Constitution 16 22 32
Intelligence 16 21 36
Wisdom 8 10 20
Charisma 8 11 22

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 11
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11
+4 Tome of Strength used at level 15
+4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15


Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 6 28
Bluff 3 31
Concentration 5 18
Diplomacy 3 25
Disable Device 7 30
Haggle -1 3
Heal -1 1
Hide 2 32
Intimidate -1 2
Jump 6 27
Listen -1 1
Move Silently 6 36
Open Lock 6 28
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 3 6
Search 7 29
Spot 3 24
Swim 2 7
Tumble 6 25
Use Magic Device 3 25


Gear....

Head EpicHelm of Frost- +6 CON slot
Neck- HP item- Displacement clicky
Trinket- +3 focus of subterfuge INT
Cloak- Epic Cloak of night- 10% ghostly 10dr 3% dodge
Belt- epic belt of mronon - _6 int slot
RINGS- Ravager ring- +20% hjeal amp/ Seal of DunHouse Robar +2 STR 4% dodge
Gloves- Nether Grasp- 20% melee mitigation/ +2 demonic STR/ +8 seeker
Boots- Cannon boots of propulsion/ treads of falling shadows
Wrists- Bracers of twisting shade-EPIC HARD exc seeker +4/ blurry/ resistance +7 as well as rogue goodies
Goggles- tharnes----DUH
Armor- Whisperchain- EPIC HARD- Exc seeker +4 Heightened awareness +4

Not bad. He sits at a 50/51 DC for assassinate and does a good amt of dps....

ED's...

He's going to be FURY OF THE WILD....
With a twist of Reign- proc's on 20's for sonic damage
+2 assassinate DC's....
and the wild card for later ....

Please give me a critique if i can min/max him better


Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting

Level 2 (Rogue)

Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Sneak of Shadows

Level 4 (Rogue)

Level 5 (Rogue)

Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh

Level 7 (Rogue)

Level 8 (Rogue)

Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting

Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion

Level 11 (Rogue)

Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons

Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist

Level 14 (Rogue)

Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting

Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike

Level 17 (Rogue)

Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Precision

Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind

Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery III


Level 11 (Rogue)

Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons

Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist

Level 14 (Rogue)

Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting

Level 16 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike

Level 17 (Rogue)

Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Precision

Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind

Level 20 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery II
Enhancement: Rogue Wand and Scroll Mastery III

[Rogann]

Perhaps power attack for the last feat.

[unbongwah]

Imp Sneak Atk req's base DEX 21.

[Sonos]

I went chaotic good on my Arti one life to use a Chaotic weapon. After taking a boatload of dmg from Devils I switched alignment. They are Lawful Evil and can deal the appropriate dmg. For most people it may not matter, but for me, it was enough to run Sins once to realize I didn't need that alignment anymore.

[Gridwalker]

1st Max assassinate DC and max DPS don't go together. Either u are bruiser or you are assassin. Thou even as a melee oriented DPSer you assassinate will work 70% of the time. Just select your targets right.
2nd PA is a must, SoS past life feat on lvl 3 is a bad idea, but on lvl 18 its much better. For a DPS they are essential.
3rd max subtle backstabbing. Even now or then with it maxed you will pull agro if you are full DPS.

[Arkat]

Why did you spall Black as "Bllaak"?

"Black Stabbath" would have been cool. "Bllaak Stabbath" on the other hand...

[Sonos]

Why did you spall Black as "Bllaak"?

"Black Stabbath" would have been cool. "Bllaak Stabbath" on the other hand...

Some people list their builds as their toon's name. Black was most likely taken.

[Arkat]

Some people list their builds as their toon's name. Black was most likely taken.

Ahhh...

[unbongwah]

"Black Stabbath" would have been cool. "Bllaak Stabbath" on the other hand...

Some fantasy names work better than others...

[Qezuzu]

1st Max assassinate DC and max DPS don't go together.

Technically right.

Either u are bruiser or you are assassin.

Wrong. Sacrificing 10 points of STR to raise your INT is less than a 5% decrease in damage (at cap).

3rd max subtle backstabbing. Even now or then with it maxed you will pull agro if you are full DPS.

Threat reduction is important but Subtle Backstabbing is expensive.

Also I just use Bluff and Diplo.

[dpadan17]

Threat reduction is important but Subtle Backstabbing is expensive.

Also I just use Bluff and Diplo.

Yes I agree. Bluff and dipla work quite well.

I thought of pumping int but I like the str checks and with khopesh's it seems to do well. Eventually I'm gonna make a green steel int necklace to help with dc's of assassinate. In epic elite, it seems their saves are thru the roof but in epic hard, they are a joke. Rarely do they save. If I can pump my int dc of assassinate to a 55 I'm happy.

Working this toon so far with a setup similar to this I am super happy with him. I'm able to solo evon1 w/out a healer until the stupid air elementals. Then it's a pain in the balls due to wing thrown around everywhere and the healing from the red names. A few tweaks like the epic ring of the stalker and red scale should make this toon a badass like I want him to be.

Oh and twisting the dc bonus from shadow dancer and using fury e.d. As a main one is the way I'm gonna use this toon. His dps is thru the roof with adrenaline w/out grabbing aggro. It's just plain fun.

[Wipey]

Specialist, eh ? Should be in melee forums, you created a monster lol. Really like it, no-nonsense. Now I want to TR my useless bard into something like this, aargh.
If you are not in shadowdancer, wouldn't more armor piercing make sense ? Perhaps improved sunder instead of slippery mind ( edit. can't do that, I am dumb ) ? Or do you just twist more fort bypass for high fort bosses ?

I spent like 15 mins thinking how to make ravager work with your gear but can't see how, so there... my super useful comment.

[dpadan17]

Specialist, eh ? Should be in melee forums, you created a monster lol. Really like it, no-nonsense. Now I want to TR my useless bard into something like this, aargh.
If you are not in shadowdancer, wouldn't more armor piercing make sense ? Perhaps improved sunder instead of slippery mind ( edit. can't do that, I am dumb ) ? Or do you just twist more fort bypass for high fort bosses ?

I spent like 15 mins thinking how to make ravager work with your gear but can't see how, so there... my super useful comment.

Thanks. I actually had the ravager set for soooo long but the extra proc of minimal damage isn't detrimental to the build so that is why the epic belt of Mroronon was placed in. This build is a lot of fun!!

[dpadan17]

ok....here's a breakdown of bllaak's stats & gear...i think its great....let me know if i can max it anymore

str 40
dex 27
con 32
int 34
wiz 22
cha 23

he gets no fail heal scrolls and is pretty self sufficient....

Gear....

Head EpicHelm of Frost- +6 CON slot
Neck- HP item- Displacement clicky
Trinket- +3 focus of subterfuge INT
Cloak- Epic Cloak of night- 10% ghostly 10dr 3% dodge
Belt- epic belt of mronon - _6 int slot
RINGS- Ravager ring- +2 CON/ Ravager +2 STR
Gloves- Nether Grasp- 20% melee mitigation/ +2 demonic STR/ +8 seeker
Boots- Cannon boots of propulsion/ treads of falling shadows
Wrists- Bracers of twisting shade-EPIC HARD exc seeker +4/ blurry/ resistance +7 as well as rogue goodies
Goggles- tharnes----DUH
Armor- Whisperchain- EPIC HARD- Exc seeker +4 Heightened awareness +4

Not bad. He sits at a 50/51 DC for assassinate and does a good amt of dps....

ED's...

He's going to be FURY OF THE WILD....
With a twist of Reign- proc's on 20's for sonic damage
+2 assassinate DC's....
and the wild card for later ....

Please give me a critique if i can min/max him better.

[giggiddy]

[voodoogroves]

Not bad. He sits at a 50/51 DC for assassinate and does a good amt of dps....

When I'm leveling odd destinies my DC is around 56 and it feels "light" for harder content. Closer to 60 is pretty rocking, though I suspect 50/51 will work fine for lower or normal/hard pretty reasonably.

I'm an all or nothing guy - if I'm not aiming to hit it, I'm going to shoot at something else.

[maddmatt70]

When I'm leveling odd destinies my DC is around 56 and it feels "light" for harder content. Closer to 60 is pretty rocking, though I suspect 50/51 will work fine for lower or normal/hard pretty reasonably.

I'm an all or nothing guy - if I'm not aiming to hit it, I'm going to shoot at something else.

I do not agree with yeah. I have a 49 myself and land it reliably on the casters on ee. Really not a very big investment (I have a +8 int goggle, +3 int subterfuge, +1 exceptional int, +6 assasinate dc from shadowdancer, and 14 base) to get to 49 so really why not. The investment is tiny to get up to a decent dc.

[voodoogroves]

I do not agree with yeah. I have a 49 myself and land it reliably on the casters on ee. Really not a very big investment (I have a +8 int goggle, +3 int subterfuge, +1 exceptional int, +6 assasinate dc from shadowdancer, and 14 base) to get to 49 so really why not. The investment is tiny to get up to a decent dc.

What do we disagree on? I think you're agreeing with me ;-)

A 50-ish will hit lower content or weak-fort targets in higher content. It won't reliably land on other targets in EE. If you want to hit a wider range of targets, he will find the 49 lacking. He may be ok with that; to each his own.

[dpadan17]

I'm ok with a 50/51 dc. I
More of an off dps toon. Quite a bit of dps w/out getting aggro. And with ee content, I've seen 59 dc's not land well so a few more points of dps constantly vs a chance of assassinate equals out.

Can I Lr and get 3 more Pts in assassinate? Sure but I like the constant dps. That's why the fury Ed. In epic hard... He's awesome, in ee. He's a dps first assassinate later. Seems ok to me w/out a +6 Int skills item.

[maddmatt70]

What do we disagree on? I think you're agreeing with me ;-)

A 50-ish will hit lower content or weak-fort targets in higher content. It won't reliably land on other targets in EE. If you want to hit a wider range of targets, he will find the 49 lacking. He may be ok with that; to each his own.

We do disagree because you say all or nothing whereas I say all or something. I agree that having a 60 or so assassinate dc is useful, but I also think that having a 50 assassinate dc is useful and with such little investment required to get about that high of a dc I do not think that investing nothing in an assasin's assassinate dc is a good build choice and in fact a bad build choice.