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    Default Have 'Abandoned' Loot Re-assign Itself

    Whilst recently running in "The Shroud", I couldn't help but notice how much loot was left behind and abandoned by people who had already not only left the instance, but also left the party. One of the abandoned items was a "Shard of Power", which I needed, but didn't pull. The person it was assigned to was long gone and it just sat in that chest, mocking me - "Go ahead! Pick me up! Aww, that''s right - YOU CAN'T! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!" (I swear, it actually said that to me...)

    So I would like to suggest that a mechanic be put in place that would automatically re-assign abandoned loot.

    First, we would need to define "abandoned" as when the person it is assigned to leaves the party and/or leaves the quest after it is completed. Second, it would need to re-assign itself randomly (to keep things "fair") to someone who is still in the party AND the quest.

    And while it would be nice to have this type of mechanic in all quests, it would really, really be nice to at least have it in the raids.

    That way, we can all avoid having loot mock us. 'Cuz loot gets mean when it mocks.
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    Those drop all the time. Wait 3 days, run again. Normally, I wouldn't say this, but it might cause problems if someone DCs, and chest loot is working now, so let's leave it alone and hope it keeps working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merlin-ator View Post
    Those drop all the time. Wait 3 days, run again. Normally, I wouldn't say this, but it might cause problems if someone DCs, and chest loot is working now, so let's leave it alone and hope it keeps working.
    I understand your concern over DC'ing, but DC'ing doesn't kick you out of the party, nor does it kick you out of the instance. Which is why I suggested the definition of "abandoned" - they leave the instance and/or party AFTER the quest is completed, meaning they couldn't get back in, even if they wanted to.

    As far as the item in question dropping all the time, not the point, but thanks! I will get one, eventually.
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    It's my loot and I can do whatever I please with it. If I don't want it and don't want anyone else to have it, I leave it in the chest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musouka View Post
    It's my loot and I can do whatever I please with it. If I don't want it and don't want anyone else to have it, I leave it in the chest.
    No where, at any time, have I ever - EVER - stated, suggested, or implied that you loot is not your loot. Of course it is! You want it? Take it (it's yours). You want to sell it? Go for it (it's yours). You want to give it to a specific person in your party? Knock yourself out (it's yours). Want to put it up for a roll? OK (it's yours). Want to leave it in the chest to rot? Fine.

    Now that you've left it to rot and have left the quest, as far as you are concerned, it's gone - you coulnd't go back in and get it, even if you wanted to. So what do you care what happens after you leave?

    {BTW, that's a rhetorical question.}
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    /signed.

    I just speak from personal experience, that's why I talk in first person.

    Back when I had a working computer (that is to say, before my processor fried), I used to run The Reaver's Fate, short run with a few chest. I always made it a point to ask for junk before and after the quest. Am I crazy? Or just a Cannith Crafter whom actually *gasp* have a use for it? Thing is, I almost never got it, and I saw it sitting in the chest, taunting me... So yeah, you don't take arrows, bolts, and random trash. I get it, your inventory is so full of stuff that you don't have room for that junk. I do have room for it. And even if I just trash all of it, what difference does it makes to you? You weren't taking it anyway! Let's say that the 100 or so plats I get from bolts help me get a wand of cure X wounds from guild vendors (I have more than enough to get some, I know, but I try to save to buy a collectibles bag...).

    So I agree.

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    /signed - with the caveat (as others have mentioned) that the person has to have left the quest and have no possible way of returning to take their loot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musouka View Post
    It's my loot and I can do whatever I please with it. If I don't want it and don't want anyone else to have it, I leave it in the chest.
    Find a more creative way to grief people.

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    I think if you were to propose this on an individual basis, it would have more support. Give players an option to have all their unlooted goodies randomly reassigned when they leave the quest. It could have a side effect of having players put fewer things up for roll and just let them be reassigned later so beware of that. Also because of how it might interact with disconnects, people may just choose not to turn the option on anyway.

    To paraphrase Merlin-ator, If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'd prefer Turbine not to touch anything that's actually working right now for fear of more bugs before the last patch's bug fixes are fixed to actually fix what they were supposed to fix the first time.
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    Hehe, maybe have a Smash button that's enabled after 10 minutes of opening. Smashing the chest will break it up with everything inside dropping to the ground with a chance of being damaged beyond repair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faxe View Post
    Hehe, maybe have a Smash button that's enabled after 10 minutes of opening. Smashing the chest will break it up with everything inside dropping to the ground with a chance of being damaged beyond repair.
    This is the only way I can think of that would be at all feasable. While I think the OP's concern is a vaild one, I just don't see an elegant solution.

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    How about doing it slightly differently:

    The criteria would be:

    1) No longer in the quest.

    2) The quest is complete.

    3) They have already looted the chest in question and left the item.

    I believe this would solve the disconnect problem. I don't think left the party should be part of the criteria, I've seen groups go on to other quests even after a raid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lorenpechtel View Post
    How about doing it slightly differently:

    The criteria would be:

    1) No longer in the quest.

    2) The quest is complete.

    3) They have already looted the chest in question and left the item.

    I believe this would solve the disconnect problem. I don't think left the party should be part of the criteria, I've seen groups go on to other quests even after a raid.
    This please. Fund it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lorenpechtel View Post
    How about doing it slightly differently:

    The criteria would be:

    1) No longer in the quest.

    2) The quest is complete.

    3) They have already looted the chest in question and left the item.

    I believe this would solve the disconnect problem. I don't think left the party should be part of the criteria, I've seen groups go on to other quests even after a raid.
    Actually, this is what I basically said, just in a slightly different (and perhaps a little more confusing) manner.
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    Ok... if they add this, then they also need to add a button that will destroy loot. That way I don't have to loot it, then drag it out of my inventory, if I don't want anyone to have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musouka View Post
    Ok... if they add this, then they also need to add a button that will destroy loot. That way I don't have to loot it, then drag it out of my inventory, if I don't want anyone to have it.
    Just out of curiosity... Why would you deliberately make sure someone else doesn't get loot that dropped in your name? Assuming you don't need it yourself?

    Sorry to OP for derailing and most likely starting a flamewar, that wasn't the intention, just curious here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrargh View Post
    Just out of curiosity... Why would you deliberately make sure someone else doesn't get loot that dropped in your name? Assuming you don't need it yourself?

    Sorry to OP for derailing and most likely starting a flamewar, that wasn't the intention, just curious here.
    Why does anyone have the right to force me to do something I don't want to do with my own loot? Remember the big and old saying, "your loot is your loot." I should have the right to do with it as I please. I don't have to put it up for roll, and I am allowed to just pass it to a friend. Therefor I should be allowed to just leave it to rot.

    This suggestion would just cause problems. What happens with the loot when someone leaves it, it rerolls to another person. What happens when this other person leaves it? It rerolls again, and so on and so on and so on, creating pointless calculations and lag because no one wants a stack of 20 +1 bolts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musouka View Post
    Why does anyone have the right to force me to do something I don't want to do with my own loot? Remember the big and old saying, "your loot is your loot." I should have the right to do with it as I please. I don't have to put it up for roll, and I am allowed to just pass it to a friend. Therefor I should be allowed to just leave it to rot.

    This suggestion would just cause problems. What happens with the loot when someone leaves it, it rerolls to another person. What happens when this other person leaves it? It rerolls again, and so on and so on and so on, creating pointless calculations and lag because no one wants a stack of 20 +1 bolts.
    I might be getting stabbed for this, but I feel "your loot" is really only "your loot" if you actually "loot" what is "your loot" in the first place. Leaving it in the chest means its unclaimed. Unclaimed loot, isnt "your loot" in my eyes, it is what it is, unclaimed loot.

    I really cant see this "causing problems" (albeit with modification- as already suggested, Id much rather see it go unassigned or require a small, maybe even hidden, roll on the item, for any who express interest in this unclaimed loot) as you suggest- Unless youre purposely being a jerk, or spiteful to other players in the party. Mind you im not condoning or condemning this possibility, and without doing either I will readily admit I completely understand the idea of doing either. Lets face it, sometimes other players in your party are jerks, and I can understand not wanting them to have "your trash" because of it, even if it is useful/desired to them.

    Signed to this concept with mild tweaking. If you want to purposely be a jerk with your trash, thats your choice to do so- However, weighing the alternatives, Im A-OK 110% ok with "being a jerk" being more involved then "forgetting about it". If you want to trash it, then pick it up and trash it. Unclaimed loot, is unclaimed loot. Unless you want to make the argument that theres some magic wards on all chests in the game that disallow other players from picking up "your" unclaimed trash/loot.

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    They should code humans to say things like: "Hey all, I am looking for a shard of power. Let me know if you need a great or supreme and I will put them up for roll if I get them"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardoor View Post
    They should code humans to say things like: "Hey all, I am looking for a shard of power. Let me know if you need a great or supreme and I will put them up for roll if I get them"
    This - yes.

    OP - no

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