Silver Threaded Handwraps and Harry

[fognozzel]

Sounds like those with holy/holy burst and silver are having trouble breaking the DR, cause I also have a set of Anarchic silver and they were breaking Harry's DR last night just fine (with ToD ring of course).

[Thlargir]

Yeah, it appears to be a function of the bases that are dropping rather than crafting itself. The wraps on the left break adamantine DR, the ones on the right don't. Both types are currently dropping in game, including for the AML:20 varieties.

Further confirmation that silver threaded wraps with the description:
"Some Monastic orders weave silver threads into their handwraps, to effectively combat monsters such as devils, lycanthropes, and vampires."

DO NOT break SILVER DR.

Those with the description:
"Strips of cloth meant to be wrapped around your hands."

DO break SILVER DR. [and carry the Detail: "Bludgeon, Silver, Magic, Byeshk" as expected (Byeshk from Monk)]

P.S. Well that only cost about 2/3M plat to figure out :-)

[TeacherSyn]

I can confirm this as well, using loot-generated Silver/Pure Goods versus similarly crafted ones.

The crafted ones DO appear to work very well against non-Red Named foes as do the loot-generated ones. But when used against Harry or similar pit fiends/horned devils, they comment that "It tickles!" before commencing to eat me.

The good news is that you might actually find loot-generated (Holy) (Aligned) Silver Threaded Handwraps of Pure Good (Righteousness) in your gaming lifetime. Before Update 14, your luck was (very) limited to a very lucky drop in Hard/Elite "Devil Assault" or grinding futilely through "Accursed Ascension" (I think--I've never tried to, yet.) But metallic wraps that work do show up now.

[Artos_Fabril]

Further confirmation that silver threaded wraps with the description:
"Some Monastic orders weave silver threads into their handwraps, to effectively combat monsters such as devils, lycanthropes, and vampires."

DO NOT break SILVER DR.

Those with the description:
"Strips of cloth meant to be wrapped around your hands."

DO break SILVER DR. [and carry the Detail: "Bludgeon, Silver, Magic, Byeshk" as expected (Byeshk from Monk)]

P.S. Well that only cost about 2/3M plat to figure out :-)

My silver threaded ones are of the latter variety, and apply all type bonuses correctly. Looks like the issue is in the table entry for the first type.

[Skeald]

My silver threaded wraps are of the "...some monastic orders..." variety, and these do not break silver DR on harry or other critters of his type.

And yes they are of the +1 base variaty, minimum level 20, and have holy burst and +5 enhancement bonus and nothing else crafted on them.

[Thlargir]

My silver threaded ones are of the latter variety, and apply all type bonuses correctly. Looks like the issue is in the table entry for the first type.

Indeed, looks like we have a winner!

That seems like a very simple fix, but how can you really tell?

Hopefully some Dev go-between can pass this on as if it is really as straightforward as simply changing a table entry to match an existing table entry the likelihood of side effects is small.

[EllisDee37]

Even the ones with the base of +1 are not workking correctly on my monk - metal types and crafting (holyburst in my case) are not breaking DR

Ouch, that's an obnoxious new wrinkle.

[Fafnir]

If they could fix the stacking with wraps from ES challenges, that would be good also.

E.g. Holy prefix doesn't stack with Holy Burst ring, which we are now used to. Similar lack of stacking on other combinations.

[R0cksteady]

I'm pretty sure the holy/holy burst from crafting doesn't break DR.

So, you need the silver ones with +1 and you need holy burst ToD ring.

[Skeald]

I'm pretty sure the holy/holy burst from crafting doesn't break DR.

So, you need the silver ones with +1 and you need holy burst ToD ring.

Holy and Holy burst from canith crafting are breaking dr just fine (DR/Good that is). The combat log states that the DR/Silver is whats not being broken on crafted wraps with the "Some Monastic orders..." tag line in the wraps description.

The silver wraps with the +1 effect make no differance - you will need to check the tag line at the bottom of the wraps to ensure that they can be crafted and still break metal DR.

[Thlargir]

So I took my "Some Monastic orders..." Holy Silver Evil Outsider Bane and Holy Cold Iron Evil Outsider Bane crafted handwraps out for a test drive with the update (nothing in the release notes, but hope springs eternal) and they appear to have been fixed.

They did not break DR yesterday, but today I tested the former on vampires in the Orchard and the latter on Ice Flensers, Fire Reavers and Flesh Renders in Invaders!, and lo and behold yellow numbers turned to orange as hoped for!

The Details text was corrected last update and it seems that the metal property is being applied properly.

Please confirm in case I am delusional...

[Acaios]

do we have any additional confirmation that they are finally fixed and work on raid bosses?

and also, what do you suggest as the best you can craft for a dark monk? (crafting level and ingredients cost doesnt matter. also given that you have a tod ring with holy burst)
i was thinking of +5 axiomatic burst cold iron of GEOB (or GCOB) for demons
and +5 holy silver of GEOB (or GLOB) for devils. any better suggestion instead of 'holy'?

[Mercureal]

Anarchic Burst?

[Limey]

I noticed something odd the other day, I was using crafted silver Holy Burst handwraps of Greater Lawful Outsider Bane on the TOD boss and although it was breaking DR, it wasn't getting bane damage. After re-equiping them it then worked.

[TeacherSyn]

do we have any additional confirmation that they are finally fixed and work on raid bosses?

and also, what do you suggest as the best you can craft for a dark monk? (crafting level and ingredients cost doesnt matter. also given that you have a tod ring with holy burst)
i was thinking of +5 axiomatic burst cold iron of GEOB (or GCOB) for demons
and +5 holy silver of GEOB (or GLOB) for devils. any better suggestion instead of 'holy'?

As of Update 16, the pairs of loot-generated and crafted silver-threaded wraps on my Dark Monk are working normally against any enemy, including Harry and other bosses.

A popular crafted silver-threaded handwrap is Holy (Burst) Silver-Threaded of Greater (Evil) Outsider Bane. Find these wraps with a Guild slot and add a Sparks jewel for electrical damage, of which pit fiends are vulnerable.

If you have found and crafted a Holy Burst Incredible Potential ring (from the Tower of Despair raid), then Metalline of Outsider Bane will also do (and these wraps can be fully Cannith crafted from scratch with the right level).

Harry and other pit fiends and horned devils are Lawful Evil, so Axiomatic does nothing against them. Sometimes we can over-twink these things, trying to get every tick of damage. Simple is better and less crazy to acquire and/or craft. "Greater Outsider Bane" or just "Outsider Bane" isn't bad.

My go-to wraps for my Dark Monk are crafted Holy Silver-Threaded of (full) Vampirism to keep me topped off as much as possible with my healing amp (gets me 6-9 HP per hit with all the gear).

The Unstable Handwraps do work on Harry, but better on a Light Monk with Shintao III enhancements, who are living metalline fighters (but still need a Good property to fully break DR, such as a ToD ring or the full Shintao Cord/Kyosho's Ring set). Others have reported in the past that elements of these wraps do not fully work (the Bane part, if I recall).

[TeacherSyn]

I noticed something odd the other day, I was using crafted silver Holy Burst handwraps of Greater Lawful Outsider Bane on the TOD boss and although it was breaking DR, it wasn't getting bane damage. After re-equiping them it then worked.

I've heard of this, too. The "reequip to make it work" bug still persists, it seems. Bane property seems always broken with handwraps, which is why I don't rely on it.

[Acaios]

+5 axiomatic burst cold iron of GEOB (or GCOB) for demons
dq, hezrous, some reavers/renders are anarchic outsiders


and +5 holy silver of GEOB (or GLOB) for devils
anarchic burst should give a lawful monk a negative lvl


Holy Silver-Threaded of Vampirism is not a bad idea indeed, when for example you`re on horoth and the rest on sulo

edit: i just got a tell from a friend (also dark monk) that crafted holy doesnt stack with holy burst from tod ring

[TeacherSyn]

+5 axiomatic burst cold iron of GEOB (or GCOB) for demons
dq, hezrous, some reavers/renders are anarchic outsiders


and +5 holy silver of GEOB (or GLOB) for devils
anarchic burst should give a lawful monk a negative lvl


Holy Silver-Threaded of Vampirism is not a bad idea indeed, when for example you`re on horoth and the rest on sulo

edit: i just got a tell from a friend (also dark monk) that crafted holy doesnt stack with holy burst from tod ring

That's right. It's a known, probably-WAI since fixing it will break something else-issue with Holy and ToD Holy-Burst rings.

[Acaios]

i just crafted +5 axiomatic burst cold iron (absolute ML 20, colored ones) wraps of GEOB, and tested them on a marilith in labor shortage (with holy burst from tod ring). it broke her dr.
also from anarchic wraps, the negative level effect gave me -5 hp, -1 attack,-1 saves and -1 rank to all skills. tbh, i was expecting the hp penalty to be even more, but since it`s only 5, i may consider crafting anarchic burst on pit fiends` beater

[TeacherSyn]

i just crafted +5 axiomatic burst cold iron (absolute ML 20, colored ones) wraps of GEOB, and tested them on a marilith in labor shortage (with holy burst from tod ring). it broke her dr.
also from anarchic wraps, the negative level effect gave me -5 hp, -1 attack,-1 saves and -1 rank to all skills. tbh, i was expecting the hp penalty to be even more, but since it`s only 5, i may consider crafting anarchic burst on pit fiends` beater

That negative level you get, if you are Lawful Good (not Neutral) is worth it if you have good construct/portal beaters. I can tell you that no owner of the Grave Wrappings complains about the neg level they get--they easily compensate with their supreme effectiveness in taking down most things they encounter.

Remember: The Unstable Handwraps give Anarchic Burst but, by design, do NOT give you a negative level.