Guild Renown Changes

[UurlockYgmeov]

Cheese is the predominate way to fight things (throwing mobs off cliffs ext because hp is so high)

But I just love using my Shield spell or Push spell to push a boss off a cliff! it is so fun! :P

[Charononus]

But I just love using my Shield spell or Push spell to push a boss off a cliff! it is so fun! :P

It's fun the first few times, but it's like when ed's were first released and people wanted multiple monks for ein where they'd charge up an ein before every fight. It's fun at first, then it gets old and toss em off the cliff is way more prevalent in nwo than ein cheese was.

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and a lot of bosses can't be pushed now, it's just for the massive groups of adds now.

[UurlockYgmeov]

It's fun the first few times, but it's like when ed's were first released and people wanted multiple monks for ein where they'd charge up an ein before every fight. It's fun at first, then it gets old and toss em off the cliff is way more prevalent in nwo than ein cheese was.

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and a lot of bosses can't be pushed now, it's just for the massive groups of adds now.

they can be pushed (which boss is the pirate?) just pushed him off (quite by accident) two days ago from the bridge. I was using the push spell for some extra DPS - and *poof* over the bridge he went. Was as much surprise as being able to smite Arach's Knight in VON5.

Being able to is fine - just don't make it easy to do. make it take tactics and strategy. We were 10 minutes into the fight when it happened.

and agree the EIN wasn't fun - it was anticlimactic.

[Dandonk]

Hello, Turbine? Anyone there? Anyone at all? All still quiet on the western front?

[Gremmlynn]

I agree Uurlock. I really do like the NWO guild system. For folks like us that have been here a while it's not so easy to walk away even when the guild system is so much better.

For a new player that wants to play and start a guild with their family and/or a few friends, I would never suggest DDO given the decay hurdle they will eventually face. You might as well invest the time in Neverwinter since the system is already size-neutral and is geared towards facilitating the guild and not on punishment mechanisms. I like DDO, but knowing what I know now I wouldn't start playing the game today with a group of friends as I did. The game discourages that play style and actively punishes it with decay.

I don't see where anyone is ever punished for being in a guild. You automatically gain guild chat and decay doesn't even start till level 26. As long as one isn't worse off for being in a guild than not, and that isn't the case, I don't see the punishment.

[Dandonk]

I don't see where anyone is ever punished for being in a guild. You automatically gain guild chat and decay doesn't even start till level 26. As long as one isn't worse off for being in a guild than not, and that isn't the case, I don't see the punishment.

There was punishment enough before so that large guilds felt compelled to kick members to reduce this punishment. So I think we can safely say that many, if not most, feel this punishment.

Turbine, come on; It's not that hard - just remove decay, and put it out of all our collective misery.

[Gremmlynn]

There was punishment enough before so that large guilds felt compelled to kick members to reduce this punishment. So I think we can safely say that many, if not most, feel this punishment.

Turbine, come on; It's not that hard - just remove decay, and put it out of all our collective misery.

It was more a matter of Turbine giving those players an incentive to kick less active players than punishing them. Though I guess you could say it was a punishment for those who got kicked.

[UurlockYgmeov]

It was more a matter of Turbine giving those players an incentive to kick less active players than punishing them. Though I guess you could say it was a punishment for those who got kicked.

I just feel like (as am sure many if not all do) Sisyphus, and our boulder is decay.

[Impaqt]

lol.. You people are still talking about this?

Turbine has moved on.

[Gremmlynn]

I just feel like (as am sure many if not all do) Sisyphus, and our boulder is decay.

That I can understand, but it's more putting up with, or mostly ignoring the existence of, a broken system than feeling I'm being punished by it. But then, I was pretty content with what guilds offered before the whole leveling thing was added, so am more worried about how the system takes away from that than how fair it is in adding more to it.

[slarden]

lol.. You people are still talking about this?

Turbine has moved on.

I believe you but they haven't communicated that. It would be nice if they let us know the status of this temporary change that was put in place last October.

If they moved on they should close the thread.

[UurlockYgmeov]

lol.. You people are still talking about this?

Turbine has moved on.

Guess it is time for our semi-quarterly Turbine head-pop-in to tell us that they are still reading this and it is still a live topic.....

That I can understand, but it's more putting up with, or mostly ignoring the existence of, a broken system than feeling I'm being punished by it. But then, I was pretty content with what guilds offered before the whole leveling thing was added, so am more worried about how the system takes away from that than how fair it is in adding more to it.

I just want a complete system. Tired of pushing a boulder that continuously gets bigger - and when you get to the top you are teleported back to where you started..... (ransack)

I believe you but they haven't communicated that. It would be nice if they let us know the status of this temporary change that was put in place last October.

If they moved on they should close the thread.

agree.

[Charononus]

If they moved on they should close the thread.

As someone said probably 50 pages back, they won't ever do that, this thread keeps the topic out of the general forum.

[Dandonk]

As someone said probably 50 pages back, they won't ever do that, this thread keeps the topic out of the general forum.

Then maybe I should go to the other parts of the forum and see if I can get a reply there. Maybe they've just put this thread on /ignore.

But then Again, if so, they likely have me on /ignore, too.

[Arnez]

Then maybe I should go to the other parts of the forum and see if I can get a reply there. Maybe they've just put this thread on /ignore.

But then Again, if so, they likely have me on /ignore, too.

I think you should- and that all of us (who are still interested in AN ANSWER) should post there.

Although there has been 2 sides to this discussion (large vs small) The things we can agree on are: 1- Remove Decay; 2- GIVE US AN ANSWER.

[conryorion]

I recently lost one of my best guild mates due to decay. His frustration stemmed from the fact that a small guild (6 accounts) was having to earn 3000 renown per member every day just to stay ahead of the decay. With the change favoring large guilds it seems that DDO has chosen to eliminate or at least encourage the small guilds to fold up shop and get assimilated by large guilds. Please find a means to either eliminate decay or reduce the penalties so that high level guilds with a small number of active players don't have to be obsessive just to maintain their current guild level. I appreciate the guild renown bonus for a 6 person guild, but the 17,000 plus daily decay is just too much.

[Nestroy]

I recently lost one of my best guild mates due to decay. His frustration stemmed from the fact that a small guild (6 accounts) was having to earn 3000 renown per member every day just to stay ahead of the decay. With the change favoring large guilds it seems that DDO has chosen to eliminate or at least encourage the small guilds to fold up shop and get assimilated by large guilds. Please find a means to either eliminate decay or reduce the penalties so that high level guilds with a small number of active players don't have to be obsessive just to maintain their current guild level. I appreciate the guild renown bonus for a 6 person guild, but the 17,000 plus daily decay is just too much.

It is the same as it has been before the change when the large guilds stalled in their 80ies. Edit: This was of course not OK.

But it is frustrating for small guilds to chrunch out the renown necessary to hold a certain level when the neighbouring large guild flies past in level thanks to the freebie dole-out of reduced decay for large guilds and not based on their own superior activity level. Edit: The only fair solution would be doing away with decay all together.

Edit: I startet a thread in the open Forum now, here.

[Dandonk]

It is the same as it has been before the change when the large guilds stalled in their 80ies. But it is frustrating for small guilds to chrunch out the renown necessary to hold a certain level when the neighbouring large guild flies past in level thanks to the freebie dole-out of reduced decay for large guilds and not based on their own superior activity Level.

Edit: I startet a thread in the open Forum now, here.

Gj on the thread, hopefully more will join in soon.

Please, Turbine, get rid of decay now!

[Charononus]

It is the same as it has been before the change when the large guilds stalled in their 80ies. But it is frustrating for small guilds to chrunch out the renown necessary to hold a certain level when the neighbouring large guild flies past in level thanks to the freebie dole-out of reduced decay for large guilds and not based on their own superior activity Level.

Edit: I startet a thread in the open Forum now, here.

Just something to note, I don't think you think this, but when you say

when the neighbouring large guild flies past in level thanks to the freebie dole-out of reduced decay for large guilds and not based on their own superior activity Level

it makes it sound like you want to stagnate large guilds again. When I first started reading this thread that's what I thought everyone that was talking about small guilds was asking for, and what I really have seen in some proposals. Not saying you think this, but leaving this part out and just talking about how small guilds are stuck now just like large guilds used to be will probably get you more support.

[Nestroy]

Just something to note, I don't think you think this, but when you say


it makes it sound like you want to stagnate large guilds again. When I first started reading this thread that's what I thought everyone that was talking about small guilds was asking for, and what I really have seen in some proposals. Not saying you think this, but leaving this part out and just talking about how small guilds are stuck now just like large guilds used to be will probably get you more support.

Yeah, the old problem with me (and others here) not being native speakers. Of course I want to get rid of decay completely,. I do not want to see any guild stalling. Independent of size or activity. Post edited accordingly.