Guild Dues and Ship Buffs

[HatsuharuZ]

Guild ship buff shrines and crewmembers, as most of us know, can be purchased with platinum. However, this can get expensive for the officers, who are the only people who can purchase these buffs and replace them.

So my suggestion is for a "Guild Dues" box to be put on every ship. Putting platinum into this box would give a discount to the people buying ship buffs when they bring up the buff-buying UI. This would be entirely voluntary, of course, unless guild rules require people to donate.

[LOOON375]

Ever try asking your guild members to contribute? I know how expensive can be.

That would be much easier than getting a change to the guild UI.

[Enoach]

while an interesting idea it comes with some small problems

Voluntary Dues - Hard to enforce let alone seems to counter each other in terms. "Donation Box" would be a better way to handle it. Similar to the guild ship fund.

Spending Control - Currently the Store is not wired up for a "Guild Account". Also, what happens when two officers disagree over which buff, or where a said buff should reside? Now instead of fighting with their own coin they can fight using the "Guild Coin"?

-----------
Most established guilds came up with policy/procedures when Guild Buffs came about. Some officers shelling out a lot of TP/Coin at the beginning to get started. These procedures include how the expenses get divided between the officers, If donations from Members will be utilized, requested or required (Each to a guilds requirement not enforced by Turbine coding)

Only thing I'm against is any method that would require funds or could be used to to track in game if people are meeting arbitrary Guild Requirements. So a Turbine Coded "Dues Collection" {against}. Ship Maintenance Donation Box {for} - Could even be a Bank option. Need to limit coin to ship maintenance, thus preventing a disgruntled officer from raiding the account and making off with it.

[Ginarrbrik]

Ever try asking your guild members to contribute? I know how expensive can be.

That would be much easier than getting a change to the guild UI.

Exactly. it may sound good in theory, but definitely not in practice. this just sounds like an indirect way of doing exactly what a good old fashion trade window could do, if you really can't afford it.

[Drakesan]

I wholeheartedly agree with this. I suggest that a modification be made to the officer only ship chest where members can donate plat, and the officers only be the ones to withdraw.

We have a volunteer only method in our guild, but mailing, trading is somewhat a hinderance to those that wish to donate, this would make things easier.

/signed

[Thrudh]

I'm pretty sure any guild member can up the time on guild buffs...

Quite often, I'll see all the buffs are down to under a week, and I'll bump them all twice up to 2 weeks 6 days (or whatever).

And I can do that with my non-officer characters.

You do need to be an officer to replace guild buffs with a different one, though.

[LordPiglet]

Guild ship buff shrines and crewmembers, as most of us know, can be purchased with platinum. However, this can get expensive for the officers, who are the only people who can purchase these buffs and replace them.

So my suggestion is for a "Guild Dues" box to be put on every ship. Putting platinum into this box would give a discount to the people buying ship buffs when they bring up the buff-buying UI. This would be entirely voluntary, of course, unless guild rules require people to donate.

Unless something changed the following can occur:

Empty Hook point - Anyone can place an item there.
Occupied Hook Point - Anyone can extend the time on an existing amenity, Officers can change the amenity.

[HatsuharuZ]

while an interesting idea it comes with some small problems

Voluntary Dues - Hard to enforce let alone seems to counter each other in terms. "Donation Box" would be a better way to handle it. Similar to the guild ship fund.

Spending Control - Currently the Store is not wired up for a "Guild Account". Also, what happens when two officers disagree over which buff, or where a said buff should reside? Now instead of fighting with their own coin they can fight using the "Guild Coin"?

The weakness of the guild system is that the "health" of a guild depends on the good conduct and participation of it's membership, or lack thereof. That's the way it has to be in a game, imo. By the way, thank you for suggesting the name "donation box". I don't know why I said "guild dues" ><

The only sure way to control spending would be to make it so that only one person in the guild can spend the plat from the "donation box", which would put alot of power in the hands of whomever is granted that power.

[HatsuharuZ]

I'm pretty sure any guild member can up the time on guild buffs...

Quite often, I'll see all the buffs are down to under a week, and I'll bump them all twice up to 2 weeks 6 days (or whatever).

And I can do that with my non-officer characters.

You do need to be an officer to replace guild buffs with a different one, though.

Really? Thanks for the correction.

[Ginarrbrik]

Unless something changed the following can occur:

Empty Hook point - Anyone can place an item there.
Occupied Hook Point - Anyone can extend the time on an existing amenity, Officers can change the amenity.

this is correct. well said.

[Titus_Ovid]

I think, it's called Mailbox. The mechanic: you mail some money to a dedicated Oofficer who happens to have the highest haggle skill. works all the time.

[CaptainSpacePony]

I think, it's called Mailbox. The mechanic: you mail some money to a dedicated Oofficer who happens to have the highest haggle skill. works all the time.

Brilliant!

[marybee]

I tried to make things simple in our guild, having recently taken it over. I asked each officer to adopt a shrine or two, or three depending on the need and shrine cost, myself included. That way I can rely on all of us to keep the guild buffs going and I don't have to worry about them running out or spending all my plat keeping them up for the whole guild. We are at the moment a small guild but we are heading up the ranks pretty quick so I think it's going well. At the moment though, most accounts are officer accounts so that made life easy, I may have to re-look at it when we get more members or more buffs.

When there are a lot of buffs to renew it is quite a bit for one person to do, even if others help with the money. That's why I decided to share the task around. Most of my Guild have a selection of characters to choose from anyway so can get their highest haggle toon to buy the items.

[Dysmetria]

Instead of an NPC or item on the ship collecting donations, perhaps the funds of the NPC that already collects plat and astral diamonds towards ship upgrades could be modified to also be used to add new hookpoint items or extend the time on existing ones.

[Tshober]

Unless something changed the following can occur:

Empty Hook point - Anyone can place an item there.
Occupied Hook Point - Anyone can extend the time on an existing amenity, Officers can change the amenity.

This. There is no need for anything additional. Members can already help with the cost of amenities if they so desire.


/not signed

[Musouka]

I figured the cost of membership was already paid, since the guild doesn't gain any renown unless I am questing or killing mobs in slayer areas on a character in the guild.

[Kinerd]

Honestly the #1 thing I want changed about buying ship buffs is the clicking. I would pay double the plat if I could refill everything with 1 purchase instead of 100. To continue being honest, it kind of annoys me when people purchase one week on one buff, because then I have to check every buff to see how much I need to buy of it. Combine with the hookpoints-not-always-appearing bug and it's just more hassle.

I think, it's called Mailbox. The mechanic: you mail some money to a dedicated Oofficer who happens to have the highest haggle skill. works all the time.

Do you really think mailing 10k at a time is an adequate solution?

[Khimberlhyte]

How about giving the ship's captain a dialogue option to pay a nominal amount (such as 20 plat per character level) to get every buff on the ship with one click. That amount could go towards an account for shrine replacement, similar to how anyone can donate towards airships. That way, even puggers visiting your ship would be likely to contribute - 400 plat is pretty cheap for a few minutes time saved in buffing.

[MsEricka]

I think, it's called Mailbox. The mechanic: you mail some money to a dedicated Oofficer who happens to have the highest haggle skill. works all the time.

I'm sorry, this type of suggestion is completely unwarranted. Logic and common sense have no place on the DDO forums.

You should immediately ban yourself for 48 hours. Alternatively you may run only with random pugs for the next 48 hours. Either way it's punishment.

[lorenpechtel]

Guild ship buff shrines and crewmembers, as most of us know, can be purchased with platinum. However, this can get expensive for the officers, who are the only people who can purchase these buffs and replace them.

Huh? I've never been an officer. I've extended the stuff on our ship multiple times.