Peticion: Increase base xp from this quests

[MRMechMan]

/signed for all EXCEPT

raid the vulkoorim, it is potentially a very good (1min) completion with 6 ppl.
Sins of atrittion...it is like 5min tops on a sprinting caster. Pretty nice xp anyway.

Also, 15k base xp for new invasion/genesis is possibly excessive. For elite bravery thats pushing 50k I bet. Amrath on a TR is fairly unforgiving on elite but a good party CAN do those quests quickly.

I posted a list of quest a few months ago that should get +50% base xp...too lazy to find/link it...think you got most of em here.

[licho]

/signed for all EXCEPT

Sins of atrittion...it is like 5min tops on a sprinting caster. Pretty nice xp anyway.

Also, 15k base xp for new invasion/genesis is possibly excessive. For elite bravery thats pushing 50k I bet. Amrath on a TR is fairly unforgiving on elite but a good party CAN do those quests quickly.

I posted a list of quest a few months ago that should get +50% base xp...too lazy to find/link it...think you got most of em here.

I. Springing Caster is one case, but what about not so springing melee.
I would ignore the best 10% and worse 10% as well as invis run, 6 casters party. If someone is good or plays right class, or just his class plays very well in that specific quest - more power for him. But the quest xp shount be balanced around this people. More about medicorate. Who have some stuff and knows whats up, but not using every loophole.

II. 50k at lv 19 dosnt sound as alot. As long as you dont have mind blowing data about for completicion of NI. (like its doable in 10 min?) Its just half of the rank, and you other quests dont offer such a good values. I bet there is several other quests which does same at their level and nobody complains or call for nerfs. Elite NI has CR21 so deserves Epic XP to same degree as EN Snitch.

III. IMHO Amrath and Cannith quest should get XP bonus for high level and difficulty.
Late game quests should offer little more xp than it comes from xp/min to match the progressive xp/level.
Also it would mimic "under level xp bonus". Now its safer to just cap with GH and Vale then risk failure in Amrath.
Im looking for the reason to run more challenging quests.

[pHo3nix]

For those of you complaining about levels 17 to 19, I have to ask if they are free to play and what content they own. Because, once one is high enough to do Vale quests, it's smooth sailing to 19 unless: 1) you're not willing to repeat quests at least three times, or 2) you dont own enough content.
Whether it's your second or third reincarnation, the leveling plan should be exactly the same. The only quests that should be farmed until empty are probably the Dreaming Dark series and at least one in Reaver's Refuge.

I got all high lvl packs. Maybe you are missing the fact that on a TR2 you need more than 1.5 millions xp to go from 17 to 20. Now please, enlighten me on how you can go to 17 to 19 without farming things in vale.

People are not saying it's impossible to lvl a TR2, i did it myself when there weren't xp tomes and bb, but some of us are just pointing out that buffing the xp of some of the awful high lvl quests would be a nice thing to encourage variety.

[soulaeon]

I got all high lvl packs. Maybe you are missing the fact that on a TR2 you need more than 1.5 millions xp to go from 17 to 20. Now please, enlighten me on how you can go to 17 to 19 without farming things in vale.

First, second TR is nothing. It's about as easy as the first one, because you get a huge bonus to experience called Bravery and another called a streak.
I find it interesting that every time Turbine gives us something, a lot of people will suddenly act like that is where the bar is raised. People reincarnated before we had bravery bonuses, and I bet they made the same arguments made here.

I said, the quests that probably do need to be farmed are the Dreaming Dark chain, and Reaver's Refuge which can be started at 17. Farm Dreaming Dark and Reaver's to level 18, then move on to Shavirath to get to 19. At 19, repeat anything you did not already, and raid for experience when you can.
In the Vale, do every quest three times when you hit level 16. You should easily get to 17. This is assuming you kept an elite or hard streak and have something like Voice of the Master.

[pHo3nix]

First, second TR is nothing. It's about as easy as the first one, because you get a huge bonus to experience called Bravery and another called a streak.
I find it interesting that every time Turbine gives us something, a lot of people will suddenly act like that is where the bar is raised. People reincarnated before we had bravery bonuses, and I bet they made the same arguments made here.

1)TR2 = legend life = 4378500 xp, seems a little more than 1900000 of a 1st life.
2)As i said, i did legend lives even before BB and tomes of learning. Now it's a lot easier, but at high levels you still need to farm. It's not that bad either, but if high lvl quest xp could get a little bump it would be nice.

I'm talking about my experience with 2 toons on life 3, 1 toon on life 4 and 1 on life 8.

So, what's your experience with TR? How many TR2+( legends) you got?

[soulaeon]

So, what's your experience with TR? How many TR2+( legends) you got?

lol I just told you how to level from 17 to 19, and I DID mention farming which you ignored, and instead of refuting that, you chose to respond this way. If I told you I never played DDO, would you still ignore my response to your first question?
Just to be a good sport, I will answser your second question. I only play one character almost ready for a 7th life. So, I actually played second TR once and then third five times (which is harder than the second life by far) with the formula I just explained.
So, I'd like to know what you are doing to level.

[Vordax]

lol I just told you how to level from 17 to 19, and I DID mention farming which you ignored, and instead of refuting that, you chose to respond this way. If I told you I never played DDO, would you still ignore my response to your first question?
Just to be a good sport, I will answser your second question. I only play one character almost ready for a 7th life. So, I actually played second TR once and then third five times (which is harder than the second life by far) with the formula I just explained.
So, I'd like to know what you are doing to level.

I don't think anyone is refuting that it is possible to get to 20 on a tr2+, what people want is more reasonable options. Its boring to grind out DD quests over and over. Give us some options with similar XP/min.

[psteen1]

Without a doubt, Amrath and Cannith and the new druid pack need to be upp'ed. It's kinda ridiculous.

[soulaeon]

I don't think anyone is refuting that it is possible to get to 20 on a tr2+, what people want is more reasonable options. Its boring to grind out DD quests over and over. Give us some options with similar XP/min.

Oh, I know. But my point is that Turbine did give us a HUGE experience increase with bravery and streaks, but now some people are saying that still is not enough, which is untrue.
I can understand that it is more difficult for free players (am one myself) but second life really was nothing compared to third. If anything, level 19 was the most difficult, with 17 to 19 being pretty smooth.

Some quests could use a raise, for their time and difficulty, but not across the board and definitely not most.

[countfitz]

/signed

Great suggestions, they would get more people doing each quest in the game, not the same ones over and over and over.

Anything that does this is a good suggestion.

Other choices: More/different favor rewards, loot rewards, but I think this is a GREAT start.

[pHo3nix]

I don't think anyone is refuting that it is possible to get to 20 on a tr2+, what people want is more reasonable options. Its boring to grind out DD quests over and over. Give us some options with similar XP/min.

Exactly

[pHo3nix]

Oh, I know. But my point is that Turbine did give us a HUGE experience increase with bravery and streaks, but now some people are saying that still is not enough, which is untrue.
I can understand that it is more difficult for free players (am one myself) but second life really was nothing compared to third. If anything, level 19 was the most difficult, with 17 to 19 being pretty smooth.

Some quests could use a raise, for their time and difficulty, but not across the board and definitely not most.

Please stop talking about hero lives, we are just talking about legend lives (TR2+). And, in the hope you will eventually get it: 1st life (1900000), TR1 (hero life), TR2+ (legend life).

Legends lives need a little grind in the last 3 levels. If more quests were given decent xp we could have more variety and they would probably sell more packs.

[licho]

Oh, I know. But my point is that Turbine did give us a HUGE experience increase with bravery and streaks, but now some people are saying that still is not enough, which is untrue.
I can understand that it is more difficult for free players (am one myself) but second life really was nothing compared to third. If anything, level 19 was the most difficult, with 17 to 19 being pretty smooth.

Some quests could use a raise, for their time and difficulty, but not across the board and definitely not most.

I. You still missing the point of this topic.
Its not about possible/not possible. Its about how fun is optimal path to lv20.
And since everyone says that at some point you must farm something, the aim of topic is to point out quest which are currently far from good xp/min, or even are riducuoul underexperienced considering duracion/difficulty/level.

II. The goal is to change state when you farm 10 quests 10 times each to run 30 quests 3 runs each.
Or even if running 10x10 is still fastest possible, running 30x3 is just little
behind, not vast behind.
II.1 Ideally, you should be able run everything once (all bonuses apply) and you are capped. However without new packs its impossible, and bringing new packs in enought number will take at least 2 more years.

III. In OP there is like 20-30 + some new rares, quests total is like 300, request to buff 10% of bottom is hardly 'across the board'.
Some requests are very small stuff, like add 1k to 1.8k current. This will not change anything in great theme of things and total TR condicion, but for folks who would like to run it sometimes its a nice gift, since now they are fair prized for their effort.

IV. Its natural that players will request improvments as long as game is not in maintance only mode.

[fmalfeas]

Oh, I know. But my point is that Turbine did give us a HUGE experience increase with bravery and streaks, but now some people are saying that still is not enough, which is untrue.
I can understand that it is more difficult for free players (am one myself) but second life really was nothing compared to third. If anything, level 19 was the most difficult, with 17 to 19 being pretty smooth.

Some quests could use a raise, for their time and difficulty, but not across the board and definitely not most.

In my case, I'm saying 'screw BB and elite streaks, they aren't fun'. That's right, UNFUN. So, with that in mind, suddenly trying to deal with the TR xp becomes a massive grind, and possibly even a 'stuck'. That's no more fun than dealing with Elite mode.

Fix the xp on the ****-xp quests though, and it's no longer an issue of 'stuck', one would hope.

At no point should there ever be a moment in the game where you discover that there is not enough XP left to level up, no matter how much you grind.

Also, Banking XP should never be a mandatory stunt. Ugh.

[esoitl]

III. Even with new new pack, there is a probability that the new quests will have insulting low XP. (Druid Deep is example). So every pack will ease leveling just a little, and for next 2 years it will be far from perfect.

Yes, and that's somewhat of the problem.
If they started putting out packs with better XP levels, you could run more variety and it would help ease the monotony a lot. Hero lives are fine, TRs are where it's getting messy. Increasing it too much makes it too easy for heroes, adding more content doesn't(or rather, shouldn't).

It'd be nice to see how they come up with the XP values of quests. PnP had a formula that would dictate this and I wonder how DDO emulates it.

[goodoldxelos]

/signed on anything that takes away the incentive to farm certain quests

Could we get hard/elite explorer areas with that give a bonus to xp

[Lonnbeimnech]

Reign of Madness
Lord of Stone:
a) killing each miniboss gives 10% xp bonus
b) Add optional objective:
Prove your superiority over Orlassk servants 50 (10%)
Prove your superiority over remaining Orlassk Servants 100 (20%)
Note: Why this quest is fine when stealthy, is smbd like the noise there should be more of reward for kill them all.

But we are sent there to ask for his help, why would we be given a bonus for destroying the army we are sent to recruit?

Although I agree with the gist of your suggestion, some quests give horrible xp compared to their length/difficulty.

[Ushurak]

No.

After we have run quests a ton of times there is one thing that we have forgotten.

Explorers are here for a reason, the op will put a death to these.

I am about to Barf over the fact that this game is mostly run, by folks that want to TR as fast as possible with quests that require no talent! And then, they Brag that they are completionist but even though per life they had less than 1500 favor. And think they are good at this game.

They farm the easiest quests in the game and proclaim they are bad a s s e s, when really they just soloed their way to the top in the easiest quests in the game and farmed them to the point where it is all they know and strut around like they are the shznit, but when it comes down to really playing this game they are complacent and freeze, because they have 0 xp when the going gets rough and die and leave it to follks that play this game because it is Dungeons and Dragons online and understand it is not a game to be trivialized, but to have talent and know their build and actually pause and reflect and respect this game.

I am sorry to strongly disagree with you; but this is not my experience at all. As a TR who has multiple TR's and runs with TR's, I actually take offence to this statement...my offence could be tempered by the fact that it may be possible that you have had a very narrow, horrible experience with TR players which has led you to brand us all in this fashion.

Almost all TR players I have run with are very experienced in the game and while not all TR players know every single quest by heart, they are good enough to know how to get through and be beneficial to the group...more so than players that have never TR's a toon.

This is not to say that some are not butt-heads, but this does not equate to lack of experience...it just equates to a bad attitude.

You will also find that most TR players are generally willing to give friendly advice to 1st lifer noobs to help make them stronger as long as they are willing to listen. If it wasn't for TR players, I would have never TR'd..I was afraid of it.

Start hunting out TR groups and go out of your way to run with them and I think your perspective will change.
If you happen to be a TR (which seems unlikely considering your rant...but I will not feign to know for sure) then you REALLY need to find yourself a new group to run with.

[Ushurak]

/SIGNED

I also know that this is not a catch-all list...but I think Blown to Bits should be right up there in the 7-8k range with the rest of the House C chain...only because it is tedious and dying from a bomb instead of a mob is actually highly likely if you are not careful...sometimes if you are.

I also think the optional flame throwing-bomb dropping-can kill experienced epic elite players optional end boss should be worth at least as much as the main quest...maybe more.

The entire xp system should be scrutinized to be honest...from lvl1-lvl25

[licho]

But we are sent there to ask for his help, why would we be given a bonus for destroying the army we are sent to recruit?

Although I agree with the gist of your suggestion, some quests give horrible xp compared to their length/difficulty.

Orlask do not seem to be exacly sane, remember his final task?
He is not too much attached to his servant and consider them rather expendable, and slaying them all may be for him "good job" or prove that the adventurers are really somebody worth talking. Its very cliche but you know badass type "only powerful matters".