Hi. I'm attempting to come up with a build that combines the tanking aspect of the Druid Bear form with the evasion of the Rogue. Why? Just for fun. For some reason I have this urge to make a bear tank. I already came up with a Drunk version, but am not entirely satisified with its AC and PRR. Since the Rogue has evasion but can also wear light armor and shields I'm going to test it out and see if it ends up tougher.
Basic goals for this build: A druid bear tank with useable evasion and as much HP/AC/PRR as I can get. Made self sufficient by Druid spells.
Notes: Trap skills are NOT essential but I figured if I'm going to get the INT to use Combat Expertise I might as well dip into traps. I'm sure my skill point allocations are not ideal as they stand, though. Yes, there's a +3 int tome that I'm not married to; its there mostly to make my int even. I suppose I could drop the dex down and start int at 12, giving me 14 with a +2 tome. But then my reflex suffers...
Thoughts: I feel a little light on feats. The monk build benefits a lot from the monk combat feats, but the only extra feat I get here is from the 1 level of fighter. I had considered briefly making this a dex build for easier evasion and some more defense, but the lack of feats pretty much closes the door on that (if it even would have been viable in the first place). Also I spend three feats on the Druid doublestrike feat, not sure if all of those are necessary.
Anyway, help! This build stretches kind of thin for a first lifer (I do have a monk I could TR into this build I suppose).
Code:Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.14.02 DDO Character Planner Home Page Drogue Level 20 Neutral Good Human Female (1 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 17 Druid) Hit Points: 350 Spell Points: 1104 BAB: 14\14\19\24 Fortitude: 16 Reflex: 10 Will: 14 Starting Feat/Enhancement Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats (32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) Strength 16 26 Dexterity 13 15 Constitution 15 18 Intelligence 11 14 Wisdom 14 18 Charisma 8 10 Tomes Used +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3 +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3 +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3 +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3 +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3 +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3 +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11 Starting Feat/Enhancement Base Skills Modified Skills Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) Balance 5 6 Bluff 2 3 Concentration 2 27 Diplomacy -1 0 Disable Device 4 20 Haggle -1 0 Heal 2 4 Hide 1 2 Intimidate 3 22 Jump 7 12 Listen 2 4 Move Silently 1 2 Open Lock 5 18 Perform n/a n/a Repair 0 2 Search 4 19 Spot 6 21 Swim 3 8 Tumble 2 3 Use Magic Device 3 4 Level 1 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Bluff (+3) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Intimidate (+4) Skill: Jump (+4) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Spot (+4) Skill: Tumble (+1) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Feat: (Selected) Augment Summoning Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness Level 2 (Druid) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Spot (+1) Level 3 (Druid) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Bear Level 4 (Druid) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Spot (+1) Level 5 (Druid) Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Level 6 (Druid) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Spot (+2) Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Wolf Level 7 (Druid) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Search (+1) Level 8 (Druid) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Search (+1) Level 9 (Druid) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Search (+1) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Dire Bear Level 10 (Druid) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Search (+1) Level 11 (Rogue) Skill: Disable Device (+3) Skill: Open Lock (+3) Skill: Search (+3) Skill: Spot (+1) Level 12 (Druid) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Selected) Natural Fighting Level 13 (Druid) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+1) Skill: Search (+0.5) Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Winter Wolf Level 14 (Druid) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Level 15 (Druid) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Spot (+2) Feat: (Selected) Natural Fighting Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Water Elemental Level 16 (Druid) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Spot (+1) Level 17 (Druid) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Spot (+1) Level 18 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Intimidate (+2) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise Feat: (Selected) Natural Fighting Level 19 (Druid) Skill: Concentration (+1) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Open Lock (+0.5) Skill: Search (+1) Skill: Spot (+1) Level 20 (Druid) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Concentration (+2) Skill: Disable Device (+1) Skill: Intimidate (+1) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Spot (+1) Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Fire Elemental Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I Enhancement: Druid Aggravate I Enhancement: Druid Aggravate II Enhancement: Druid Beastial Nature I Enhancement: Druid Beastial Nature II Enhancement: Druid Blood Moon Frenzy I Enhancement: Druid Blood Moon Frenzy II Enhancement: Druid Essence of the Turtle I Enhancement: Druid Essence of the Turtle II Enhancement: Druid Nature's Warrior I Enhancement: Druid Nature's Warrior II Enhancement: Druid Reaving Roar Enhancement: Druid Vengeful Hunter I Enhancement: Druid Vengeful Hunter II Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Druid Waxing Life I Enhancement: Druid Zenith of Life I Enhancement: Druid Eminence of Life I Enhancement: Druid Eminence of Life II Enhancement: Druid Eminence of Life III 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10-06-2012, 11:57 AM #1Community Member
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Help with my Drogue build
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10-06-2012, 01:33 PM #2Community Member
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why not 12 rogue 6 druid 2 fighter/barb/etc..?
Originally Posted by Joldahks
or 17 rogue 2 druid 1 fighter?
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10-06-2012, 02:31 PM #3Community Member
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Well why not 20 WF Sorc?
I need at least 8 druid for Dire Bear (I want to be a bear). I don't care if you call it a theme build or a flavor build or what have you, but I would like to keep the bear.
Outside of that, I can't see a reason why not change the level amount. My initial thought was at least 8th level Druid spells for Heal. I'm certainly willing to entertain ideas for altering the classes and levels, but I need a reason
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10-06-2012, 03:26 PM #4Build Constructionist
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If the rogue splash is just for Evasion, why not go monk instead? You don't lose Evasion from being uncentered, so you can still use lt armor + shield; and gain two feats you need. Originally Posted by Joldahks
FWIW, I just started a bear tank who plans to go druid 13 / ftr 6 / wiz 1 (NW II / SD I). No Evasion, obviously, and only lvl 7 spells; felt I need the feats more. The goal is to wear Black Dragonplate (IIUC druids can wear dragonscale w/out losing their abilities); not sure what to do for epics yet (if I get that far).
Anyway, be interesting to see which approach works better.
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10-06-2012, 04:03 PM #5Community Member
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I think I went with rogue for the synergy with having to have 13 int for combat expertise and trap skills, and also to differentiate it from my Drunk build. Originally Posted by unbongwah
If the rogue splash is just for Evasion, why not go monk instead? You don't lose Evasion from being uncentered, so you can still use lt armor + shield; and gain two feats you need.
FWIW, I just started a bear tank who plans to go druid 13 / ftr 6 / wiz 1 (NW II / SD I). No Evasion, obviously, and only lvl 7 spells; felt I need the feats more. The goal is to wear Black Dragonplate (IIUC druids can wear dragonscale w/out losing their abilities); not sure what to do for epics yet (if I get that far).
Anyway, be interesting to see which approach works better.
If you don't mind me asking, why 1 Wiz? Just for 5 min level 1 buffs?Desilha Whispertouch - 20 Thief Acrobat | Tsevyena Phalanx - 15 Hunter of the Dead | Nohwi - 20 Shintao Monk
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10-09-2012, 10:20 AM #6Build Constructionist
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Mostly for the extra feat, though getting some arcane buffs & wands is a nice perk (e.g., Blur wands, Nightshield). I don't have the build handy, but i think this was the plan for my 15 feats (7 base + 1 human + 4 ftr + 1 wiz + 2 epic): Toughness, PA/CL/GC/IC:B/OC, Shield Mastery & ISM, CE, Natural Fighting x3, plus 3 metas (e.g., Quik, Max, Emp Heal). [I took Augment Summoning for leveling, but I'll swap it for a different meta later.] If I went, say, druid 17 / ftr 2 / wiz 1 instead, I don't know which two feats I would drop. Originally Posted by Joldahks
For ED, originally I was gonna go LD, but then I found out LW & MS don't work with unarmed atks (inc. animal form); so now I'm leaning FotW with LSM, ICE and/or IPA twisted in. EDs aren't my forte, though, so that probably needs some refinement.Semi-retired Build Engineer. Everything was better back in our day. Get off my lawn.
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10-09-2012, 02:57 PM #7Community Member
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Wow that's a heck of a lot of feats. I'm thinking of throwing an extra fighter level in my build ... possibly even more. I'd like to able to keep Heal though. That's 15 druid right there, and 2 rogue for evasion, leaves 3 for fighter. 3 fighter isn't very helpful, though. Rogue 3 isnt helpful either, not for a tank build at least. Druid 16 doesnt give much either, besides another 8th level spell slot. Originally Posted by unbongwah
Now that I think about it though, another level 8 slot might be helpful. I think I'll try it out this:
1:Rogue 1- Toughness (Gen), Stunning Blow (HB)
2: Druid 1
3: Druid 2 - Shield Mastery
4: Druid 3
5: Druid 4
6: Druid 5 - Empower Healing / Maximize
7: Druid 6
8: Druid 7
9: Druid 8 - Combat Expertise
10: Druid 9
11: Rogue 2
12: Fighter 1 - Natural Fighting 1 (Gen), Imp. Crit. Bludgeoning (FB)
13: Druid 10
14: Druid 11
15: Fighter 2 - Natural Fighting 2 (Gen), Imp. Shield Mastery (FB)
16: Druid 12
17: Druid 13
18: Druid 14 - Natural Fighting 3
19: Druid 15
20: Druid 16
I think that looks ok. I took out Augment Summoning and Power Attack. They don't really help the build as is, I don't think.
Since I'll be using a shield, the shield mastery feats seem like no brainers, especially when combined with the Natural Fighting doublestrike. Add that to the doublestrike from Unyielding Sentinel, and I figure I'll be getting quite a few. Is there any gear I could get that would give me even more doublestrike? I've never looked into it.
Now I just need to figure out what to take for feats at 21 and 24...Last edited by Joldahks; 10-09-2012 at 03:54 PM.
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10-09-2012, 03:54 PM #8Build Constructionist
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Yeah, I'm basically throwing a lot into making a weak DPS build less weak: 5 feats to boost my doublestrike by 29% (NF x3, SM&ISM), another 5 into PA/CL/GC/IC:B/OC. Originally Posted by Joldahks
I belatedly realized Heal's a lvl 8 druid spell vs lvl 7 for clerics; but still decided that the extra feats & tanking bonuses from SD I were more important, given the intended goal of this build is to be a tank first, caster second. Apart from Heal, there aren't any good bear spells past lvl 7; Unstoppable, like Bladesworn Transformation, is a trap, because you can't be healed while using it.I'd like to able to keep Heal though.
Errr, what doublestrike? I've skimmed US's wiki page and don't see any mention of doublestrike bonuses, but would love for it to turn out I just overlooked them.Add that to the doublestrike from Unyielding Sentinel, and I figure I'll be getting quite a few.
http://ddowiki.com/page/DoublestrikeIs there any gear I could get that would give me even more doublestrike?
Swashbuckler is out (metal shield) and obviously you can't use a greataxe (Hellstroke) + shield, but everything else is an option.
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10-09-2012, 04:18 PM #9Community Member
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Yeah I think I just assumed that the Legendary Shield Mastery destiny ability did a similar thing to the SM feats, but it just gives PRR. Oh well still useful I guess.
I'm going to try it with the 8th level spells and see how it goes.Desilha Whispertouch - 20 Thief Acrobat | Tsevyena Phalanx - 15 Hunter of the Dead | Nohwi - 20 Shintao Monk
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10-09-2012, 06:53 PM #10Community Member
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Now that I look at it in game though ... Legendary Shield Mastery does say it gives 2% doublestrike at rank 1 ...
This bears (ha!) further investigation.
Edit: I found it. Update 14 patch 1 has this line:
◦Unyielding Sentinel Legendary Shield Mastery now properly grants 2%, 4%, and 7% doublestrike.
So I'm not losing my mind!!Last edited by Joldahks; 10-09-2012 at 06:57 PM.
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