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    Default First TR build

    My search-fu fails..

    Looking for an pure assassin build. Kopheshes required.. all my Greensteel is in Kophesh form.

    I would like to have a decent assassinate DC, and lean on STR over DEX. I feel this would be to easy for me to mess up later on.

    Past life Fighter, but Im not sure that matters to a rogue.

    The only pay race I have is Drow unlocked, but I like human right now.

    Anyone have a build they can point me too?

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    this work great...you just need to fit exotic wep khophesh in there
    http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=350693

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    Quote Originally Posted by awar1234 View Post
    this work great...you just need to fit exotic wep khophesh in there
    http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=350693

    Had looked at that before, and was a little daunted by the gear set up.
    I dont have Half-elf, so I would go human.. Free Kophesh right there.. and no Dilli... so I can get OTWF later.

    As for packs, I have Vale of Twilight, Gianthold, Attack on stormreach, and Devils of shavrath..
    Not sure I can fill out the gaps for a pure INT build with this content.. (you tell me)

    INT 18 / 40 (18 base, +5 level ups, +6 item, +3 exceptional, +3 tome, +2 capstone, +2 ship, +1 human versatility)


    Thats a full DC loss right there.. just being human, and a limited tome selection.

    So right away Im looking at not getting your amazing DC..
    At this point, do I drop two DC and put up STR a bit to account for that? or just keep the INT focus wherever I can?

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    Don't worry about OTWF. The to-hit formula greatly trivializes marginal to-hit increases.

    You can also get an easy 6 DC and a somewhat harder 3 from the Shadowdancer Epic Destiny. That puts you at a 56 DC counting your 1 loss, which will be very effective even without sinking 12 epic points into Int.

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    If I start with a 14 Dex, can I ever get Epic SA?
    Prereq is 21 dex right?

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    You could put 4 level-ups in Dex. (I assume you're assuming a +3 Dex tome for GTWF.) You're trading 2 crit-multipliable damage for 10.5 sneak attack damage... that's a win. Just don't take Weapon Finesse.

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    I don't know what you have for tomes, but you could try a variation on this. It is an old build written before U14, so needs a bit of optimization. Nowadays, I would boost the con and lower the strength and Intelligence. Take Precision instead of power attack.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nerdychaz View Post
    I don't know what you have for tomes, but you could try a variation on this. It is an old build written before U14, so needs a bit of optimization. Nowadays, I would boost the con and lower the strength and Intelligence. Take Precision instead of power attack.


    http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=331065
    Yeah.. thats pretty much what I was looking for.. Just dropping the STR to raise CON a bit..

    thanks

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    I'd try to fit in Improved Sneak Attack, and use a decent Str. Neither max Int nor All-out str/con are really attractive to me - the former needs a lot of gear to compensate the neglection of a to-hit stat, the latter is simply lacking decent assassinate dcs. I prefer a Str-based build which does not neglect Int and can take Improved Sneak Attack, i.e.

    16 Str, +5 level up
    17 Dex + 1 level up
    14 Con
    8 Wis
    13 Int
    8 Cha

    This qualifies for ISA, and achieves 30 int (e.g 13 base + 2 capstone + 1 adaptability + 3 tome + 6 item + 1 except + 2 insight + 2 ship ), which is the sweet spot to me concerning Epic Midnight Greetings.

    For feats, I'd go with (in no particular order): Toughness, Power Attack, TWF, ITWF, GTWF, IC:Slash, EWP:Khopesh, Precision, ISA, Hamstring (this can be swapped for OTWF, SF:UMD, or a useful PL).

    Taking Precision and PA allows you some flexibility: Use Precision for EE Bosses with high fort and high AC, and use PA for everything else.
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    What's the benefit of Hamstring? It just slows monster movement speed by 50%?

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    Some important monsters have their attack speed tied to their movement speed, and are surprisingly vulnerable to Hamstring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karl_k0ch View Post
    16 Str, +5 level up
    17 Dex + 1 level up
    14 Con
    8 Wis
    13 Int
    8 Cha
    I like though I'd prefer slightly higher int. 15-16 depending on your build points, on the above split you can get that by dropping dex to 16 and raising int to 15 which costs 1 point of strength overall (as you have to use another level up into dex).

    For me trading 0.5 dam/AB for +1 assassinate DC is definitely worth it. On a 36 point build you can start with 16 int.

    If you went levels into int instead of strength AB wise you end up with the same AB as the dual khopesh build just by swapping in an eMG (or other light weapon) to the offhand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by karl_k0ch View Post
    I'd try to fit in Improved Sneak Attack, and use a decent Str. Neither max Int nor All-out str/con are really attractive to me - the former needs a lot of gear to compensate the neglection of a to-hit stat, the latter is simply lacking decent assassinate dcs. I prefer a Str-based build which does not neglect Int and can take Improved Sneak Attack, i.e.

    16 Str, +5 level up
    17 Dex + 1 level up
    14 Con
    8 Wis
    13 Int
    8 Cha

    This qualifies for ISA, and achieves 30 int (e.g 13 base + 2 capstone + 1 adaptability + 3 tome + 6 item + 1 except + 2 insight + 2 ship ), which is the sweet spot to me concerning Epic Midnight Greetings.

    For feats, I'd go with (in no particular order): Toughness, Power Attack, TWF, ITWF, GTWF, IC:Slash, EWP:Khopesh, Precision, ISA, Hamstring (this can be swapped for OTWF, SF:UMD, or a useful PL).

    Taking Precision and PA allows you some flexibility: Use Precision for EE Bosses with high fort and high AC, and use PA for everything else.
    Care to say what order?
    Right now Im thinking
    H:Kophesh
    1:TwF
    3:Power Atk
    6:Itwf
    9:Toughness
    12:IC:slash
    15:Precision
    18:OTWF (what bosses are targets for hamstring?... might try)


    Quote Originally Posted by wax_on_wax_off View Post
    I like though I'd prefer slightly higher int. 15-16 depending on your build points, on the above split you can get that by dropping dex to 16 and raising int to 15 which costs 1 point of strength overall (as you have to use another level up into dex).

    For me trading 0.5 dam/AB for +1 assassinate DC is definitely worth it. On a 36 point build you can start with 16 int.

    If you went levels into int instead of strength AB wise you end up with the same AB as the dual khopesh build just by swapping in an eMG (or other light weapon) to the offhand.
    Hows this look?
    Str 15 +3? lvl ups
    Dex 16 +2 lvl ups
    Con 14
    Int 16 (do I need a +1 lvl up here?)
    Wis 8
    Cha 8

    Its only a 34 point build.. this is the first toon to ever be TRed..
    I spent all of my life building my kophesh collection, and I dont have all content, so Epic Midnight Greetings is not a factor.
    That also who I want OTWF so much.. want to be using my RAD2 in offhand, with LIT, MIN, or POS in the main. This a sound tactic? or am I too used to being a fighter and standing toe-2-toe with stuff?


    Thanks for all the help, its been very informative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badnade View Post
    Care to say what order?
    Right now Im thinking
    H:Kophesh
    1:TwF
    3:Power Atk
    6:Itwf
    9:Toughness
    12:IC:slash
    15:Precision
    18:OTWF (what bosses are targets for hamstring?... might try)
    I wouldn't start to use two weapons, and two Khopeshes in particular, until I have ITWF. Don't forget to take GTWF. My list above was including the level 21 and 24 feats. Below is what I'd do. This uses THF from 1 to 5, rapiers from 6 to 8, and Khopeshes from 9 to cap. (unless you have really, really great Khopeshes you'd like to use at that level).

    H:Toughness
    1: TwF
    3: Power Atk
    6: Itwf
    9: Kophesh
    12: IC:slash
    15: GTWF
    18: Precision
    21: ISA
    24: OTWF (or whatever)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badnade View Post
    Str 15 or 16 +4 lvl ups
    Dex 16 +2 lvl ups
    Con 14
    Int 15 or 16
    Wis 8
    Cha 8 .
    When choosing 15 or 16 starting int consider your tome and gear situation. If you have a +3 int tome then 15 starting sounds fine as it will give you as (?) many skill points as if you'd started with 16. Also you want strength to end on an even number when including all gear etc.
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    Read this in development changes, you might want to change your mind on what you want to do

    http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=394938

    As a slash/piercer already, this will free up some feat slots.

    Also, I happen to like hamstring, a lot.
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