Primal Avatar - Very very first impression

[Expalphalog]

So lets be conservative and say it does, 1d4/1d6/1d8 per rank. At character level 25, that's 1d8+8d8 Rust Damage and 1d8+8d8 Poison damage.

You're not being conservative enough.

First off, from everything I've read, the damage does not progress with rank, only the duration does. So now we're talking about 9d4. Secondly, it doesn't say 1d4 Rust damage and 1d4 Poison damage - it says 1d4 Rust and Poison damage. Thus it either needs badly to be reworded, or it's only doing the damage once but registering as two different types thus bypassing Poison resistance on WF and Rust immunity on everyone else.

So now we're looking at an average of 22.5 per tick. At rank 1 that's 67.5 damage, rank 2 is 135, and rank 3 is 202.5. And yes, it stacks, but with a 12 second cooldown the only way it will stack is if you're rank 3 and even then you will not get more than 2 stacks going. I hit harder than that with Takedown and that has a tenth the sp cost.


You're right about Tsunami though, it is pretty nice. But overall as a caster/melee hybrid I still find both Shiradi and Fury to be more attractive options.

[Gulain]

Also, no mention of Tsunami yet? It's a pity Lama is down or I'd do a proper thread that actually listed the good parts of the tree too.

From memory, Tsunami is a 50 sp ability with a cooldown around 10-15 seconds. AOE Cold and Blug damage, with a Fort save for half. I think 1d10 per caster level on each. So 50d10 in an aoe. Oh and, it has a knockdown check. The DC? 10 + Char Level + Wis mod. So for any decently geared Druid, mid 50s.

I made a writeup with feedback from what I tested last night after the leveling event. You can find it in the following threat on Lammania Epic Levels forums:http://http://forums.ddo.com/showthr...=394542&page=4

Tsunami is definately nice but I think the DC might be bugged. I only ever saw a single damage number pop up and it never benefitted from cold vuln type effects so I'm assuming everything was saving on the frost + knockdown.

[Angelus_dead]

It's 1d4 + 1d4 per 3 character levels, yes. At Rank 1. Oh and it stacks, 3 times

I have difficulty stacking a 6 second effect with a 12 second cooldown.

[azrael4h]

Out of curiosity, though I highly doubt it given the lack of sanity at Turbine these days, but does Primal Avatar offer a path to/from the Arcane Sphere, or is it still incompetently designed?

I can tolerate one crappy useless ED if it means I don't have to put up with multiple useless EDs to get where I'm going (in this case, was wanting to reach Shiradi at least for my Sorc before TRing into Druid, or having to push through Fatesinger (marginal), Shadow Dancer (Useless) and Legendary (Useless).

Otherwise, I simply won't bother, and will add my Sorc to the growing list of characters I only play occasionally. Which, right now, is all except my Monk, my Rogue, and my Arty.