New Mabar items?

[bradleyforrest]

Does anyone have anything to report about the new Mabar items? I'd go look myself but I'm in the middle of updating.

[AZgreentea]

Lets see. just looking quickly due to wife aggro.

Delera's entrance is by lvl or shared.

new summons of different tiers (they weren't there before, right?)

cloak of night lvl 24 adds 3% doge (instead of 1%) and DR 10/good

nice, random beholders with instant aggro... Thanks Cordovan!

Well, I'm dead now so I cant view the mote collector. hope you find out more.

[Shade]

Pretty much exactly as expected.

There are none.

Zero new items. Zero reason to run this on non-palemaster/monk/rogue chars.

Old items got lvl24 upgrades. And they are exactly as expected: Very meager, incremental upgrades. You could pretty much guess exactly +1-3 minor upgraded effects and would likely not be far off from what they are.

So yea 2/10 for effort on upgrading the loot.

Overall event was ok. Cordovan hung out with us and said what he was allowed to say: Nothing of note.. Fun to chat with him though.

Feather of sun and other devs wouldnt join my grp. They did some chat channel and said mostly nothing though. Only relevant question i skimed: Feather mentioned maybe making House E challenge ingrds BTA in U16 if he gets in the mood.

New things: Has epic skeletons that can rarely survive more then 1 nuke.. Red name types have some hp, but never seem to drop anything. Has new "level band" areas which "recommend" certain lvl ranges. Top being 20-25. Tho anyone is allowed in, and lower lvl mobs that dont give any credit still spawned in the 20-25 version.
Epic dragon survived a min or so, tho posed no real threat to anyone.

Overall, I give it 2 and half fernando paiz promises out of 10,000 motes.

[QuantumFX]

Zero reason to run this on non-palemaster/monk chars.

FTFY. There was never a reason to run it on a rogue.

[Thrudh]

Old items got lvl24 upgrades. And they are exactly as expected: Very meager, incremental upgrades. You could pretty much guess exactly +1-3 minor upgraded effects and would likely not be far off from what they are.

So yea 2/10 for effort on upgrading the loot.

Well, I'm super excited about updating my cloak for one guy, building a cloak from scratch for one of my newer characters, updating my wraps, and updating my docent and probably building a robe equivalent.

I have a lot of work ahead of me

Totally excited about Mabar coming.

[Cyr]

Totally excited about Mabar coming.

Mabar led to a long break from the game for me. Truly the least fun thing in the game to me bar none. Heck, I have more fun running E3.

The level 24 cloak is excellent, but man I do not know if I can stomach running any mabar content again.

[catscan420]

Not to inflate Shades massive ego but considering how small the DDO community is and his contributions to it you could count him a celebrity in that context.

You just did. Good job there.

That doesn't mean, he should expect them to do something for him. That's ridiculous.

[Gavroshe]

You just did. Good job there.

That doesn't mean, he should expect them to do something for him. That's ridiculous.

Shade is like a dragon, Some people want to ally with him, some people want to kill him but the fact remains he is a force. You can choose to take offense at his postings or perhaps his tone, but the fact is he is here giving out information as he finds it and his opinions where he sees fit (of course we could argue all day about the validity of any number of Shade's strong opinions but based on his long time experience they are FAR from groundless)

Appologies for not knowing proper quote mechanics but here is what was sad
"Cordovan hung out with us and said what he was allowed to say: Nothing of note.. Fun to chat with him though.

Feather of sun and other devs wouldnt join my grp. They did some chat channel and said mostly nothing though. Only relevant question i skimed: Feather mentioned maybe making House E challenge ingrds BTA in U16 if he gets in the mood."

He is describing his interaction with the devs (something I never have and thus appreciated) And the FACT IS (assuming this account is accurate) the other devs wouldn't join his group, whether they were busy or what was not discussed, and may not have even been made clear to Shade. But they WOULDN'T JOIN HIS GROUP, that's not an opinion, or a slam, that's what happened and he is telling us. I'm not going to pretend that I don't read a tone in this, but he has every right to it, and with some of the flagrant dev bashing I have seen on the forums this is G rated at worst.

The big difference between Shade and a dragon? You can ignore Shade if you choose to.

-Codence Herkimer of Cannith

[Saravis]

Well DR 10/Good is nice for a lot of classes, but yeah, for level 24 its not impressive.

But I'm glad, maybe the game will actually be playable during the event.
Less people running event -> Less people crammed into one area -> Less lag
One can dream.

[Shade]

Well DR 10/Good is nice for a lot of classes, but yeah, for level 24 its not impressive.

But I'm glad, maybe the game will actually be playable during the event.
Less people running event -> Less people crammed into one area -> Less lag
One can dream.

In the current game where anything actually challenging hits for 150-300+ damage. DR10 is pretty miniscule.

Also the fact its non stacking and theres a huge varity of other ways to get fairly high DR means its not really granting you 10. More like 4 in any the vast majority of decent epic parties as Healing spring alone is extremely potent healing, easily sustainable, and grants DR6 to everyone in the party when properly specd (and generally 7 for the person who cast it). That or stoneskin, loootgen gear, etc. DR is easy to come by, so not worth losing your cloak slot over.
Not when far superior cloaks like the new challenge ones, epic abishai, etc are as easy if not easier to acquire. (lvl24 cloak cost isn't htat high, but its another scale and +2k motes past the 20 version, so a fairly long grind given the poor droprates in mabar).

also re cloak: It's a +1 dodge % upgrade. Very meager and subpar for a mll24 item. Should of been 4%. (Lvl20 cloak is +2% dodge, 24 = 3% dodge)

[wax_on_wax_off]

Fun shopping list for me:
4 cloaks from nothing
2 wraps from nothing
1 robe from ML:20 version

I foresee a lot of grinding in my future. Especially those cloaks are a must have for any build that doesn't already have a source of ~DR:10 (monk, FvS, barbarian can skip, all else need).

[sirgog]

Fun shopping list for me:
4 cloaks from nothing
2 wraps from nothing
1 robe from ML:20 version

I foresee a lot of grinding in my future. Especially those cloaks are a must have for any build that doesn't already have a source of ~DR:10 (monk, FvS, barbarian can skip, all else need).

10 DR is a lot less than it used to be.

When mobs hit for ~55 at the 20 cap, 10 DR was the difference between dying to the 11th hit or the 14th (600hp assumed). Huge difference.

Now, it's seldom enough to buy you one extra hit. Consider a 1600hp tank against the Dun'Robar matron (EE, hits through tank-level PRR for ~130) - it's the difference between dying to the 13th and 14th hit, and that's on a huge HP, huge PRR character.

If you want to use the cloak slot to increase survivability against melee damage, consider the cloak of the bear instead - 9 PRR is usually better when you need it most.

[noinfo]

10 DR is a lot less than it used to be.

When mobs hit for ~55 at the 20 cap, 10 DR was the difference between dying to the 11th hit or the 14th (600hp assumed). Huge difference.

Now, it's seldom enough to buy you one extra hit. Consider a 1600hp tank against the Dun'Robar matron (EE, hits through tank-level PRR for ~130) - it's the difference between dying to the 13th and 14th hit, and that's on a huge HP, huge PRR character.

If you want to use the cloak slot to increase survivability against melee damage, consider the cloak of the bear instead - 9 PRR is usually better when you need it most.

Only if you are wearing EROTS which many will as the DR also comes with 10% incorp.

[Moltier]

10 DR is a lot less than it used to be.

When mobs hit for ~55 at the 20 cap, 10 DR was the difference between dying to the 11th hit or the 14th (600hp assumed). Huge difference.

Now, it's seldom enough to buy you one extra hit. Consider a 1600hp tank against the Dun'Robar matron (EE, hits through tank-level PRR for ~130) - it's the difference between dying to the 13th and 14th hit, and that's on a huge HP, huge PRR character.

If you want to use the cloak slot to increase survivability against melee damage, consider the cloak of the bear instead - 9 PRR is usually better when you need it most.

How about 3% dodge, 10DR and 10% incorp?
It was, and will be one of the best cloak in the game. Not for all builds, but for many.

[cforce]

Consider a 1600hp tank against the Dun'Robar matron (EE, hits through tank-level PRR for ~130) - [10 DR] is the difference between dying to the 13th and 14th hit, and that's on a huge HP, huge PRR character.

If you want to use the cloak slot to increase survivability against melee damage, consider the cloak of the bear instead - 9 PRR is usually better when you need it most.

A curious example. 9 PRR is good for about a 6% reduction in physical damage. This should be true regardless of how much PR you already have because of the multiplicative scale of diminishing returns that is used. So, against that hit that hit through tank-level PRR for 130, above, +9 PRR would take off 8 points of damage, 2 less than DR 10.

Not arguing that DR is all that -- it's just that 9 PRR isn't that much better until much bigger hits than that. If you had almost no PRR to begin with, and the EE mobs are hitting you for 200+... yeah, then go for the 9 PRR. But like everything else in the new combat system, diversifying between PRR and DR is often better than trying to max out one number.

[rimble]

also re cloak: It's a +1 dodge % upgrade. Very meager and subpar for a mll24 item. Should of been 4%. (Lvl20 cloak is +2% dodge, 24 = 3% dodge)

Due to the stacking rules of dodge, there is more to consider than just 'higher is better'. In particular, more sources of 3% dodge is good, I feel like we already have enough sources for 4%.

[chickenmaniac]

Couple of epic slots might not go astray to make them a touch more useful.

And yeah, so many classes have so little reason to run the fest.