DDO is dead. Waiting for 2.0

[Expalphalog]

To teh_meh: http://forums.ddo.com/member.php?u=346484
Correctional Service Specialist. 14 years on the job. That is called a career.

To Memnir: Never said I was leaving. Ralphie must be your friend. The guy in camo is an inmate and I am the tiger. Nice video.

"I am the tiger." Seriously dude?

The sheer fact that you're trying alpha male intimidation tactics on an internet forum tells me everything I will ever need to know about you.

[Chai]

Ive been reading posts just like this for 3 years.

"DDO is dead"
"the game is unplayable"
"Clerics are unplayable"
"Turbine hates people that play clerics"
"Palemasters are uplayable because of the "nerf" of one spell, so Im leaving"
"Casters are unplayable because you screwed us by making a level 4 spell perform like it's supposed to, and Im leaving.............but I may be back"
"Turbine hates PM players"
"Turbine hates Ranger toons, so Im leaving but I ll hang around and still play the game"
"people are leaving in droves",
"I hate this game, but I will stay play it"
"Turbine is purposely trying to screw me over, but Im still gonna play and Ill show them"
"Im leaving for SWTOR and it's a much better game and everyone else is leaving too"
"Im leaving for Diablo3 and it's a much better game and everyone else is leaving too"
"Im leaving for GW2 and it's a much better game and everyone else is leaving too"
"This is the only game that has bugs and lag, so Im leaving for another"
"Turbine is losing money left and right and they will go under soon"
"The Devs don't know anything about coding and building a game"
"your selling +3 tomes in the store and people are leaving in droves because of it"
"The game is too hard"
"The game is too easy"
"ive got 50 past lives and every piece of top end gear that can be found and the game is too easy and it's turbines responsibility.
"I wanted the shroud to be made more difficult and when you made it more difficult, you are purposley trying screw me over. And now it's too hard and Im leaving for good
"my porage is too hot"
"my porage is too cold"
"This bowl of porage just plain sucks and Im leaving for little red riding hood's hood"

The same stuff that was posted 3 years ago, but we have seen new content released regularly since, and they topped it off with an expansion pack, followed by more content"

And next year, the cycle will start all over again after each and every update, patch, and hotfix.



Yay

And it will be the same people predicting the death of DDO over the past few years continuing to do so again over the next few years.

[Drekisen]

I personally think this is the best DDO has ever been......I think you will find in your autopsy that that you committed DDOicide...wait can you do an autopsy on yourself?

[DynaTheCat]

I am so angry and i am going to make a thread about how angry i am.

RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE

[cdbd3rd]

"I am the tiger." Seriously dude?

The sheer fact that you're trying alpha male intimidation tactics on an internet forum tells me everything I will ever need to know about you.

Naw, he was just saying he took that sensitivity class to heart, and is one of those 'huggy' kinda C.O.s.


(j/k DS - tho Mem's posting of it was about "giving hugs")


edit:


Oh, and On Topic: I'd love to see a DDO2. Particularly, if like AC, they keep the old servers running/supported as well.

[Juggle]

Ive been reading posts just like this for 3 years.

"DDO is dead"
"the game is unplayable"
"Clerics are unplayable"
"Turbine hates people that play clerics"
"Palemasters are uplayable because of the "nerf" of one spell, so Im leaving"
"Casters are unplayable because you screwed us by making a level 4 spell perform like it's supposed to, and Im leaving.............but I may be back"
"Turbine hates PM players"
"Turbine hates Ranger toons, so Im leaving but I ll hang around and still play the game"
"people are leaving in droves",
"I hate this game, but I will stay play it"
"Turbine is purposely trying to screw me over, but Im still gonna play and Ill show them"
"Im leaving for SWTOR and it's a much better game and everyone else is leaving too"
"Im leaving for Diablo3 and it's a much better game and everyone else is leaving too"
"Im leaving for GW2 and it's a much better game and everyone else is leaving too"
"This is the only game that has bugs and lag, so Im leaving for another"
"Turbine is losing money left and right and they will go under soon"
"The Devs don't know anything about coding and building a game"
"your selling +3 tomes in the store and people are leaving in droves because of it"
"The game is too hard"
"The game is too easy"
"ive got 50 past lives and every piece of top end gear that can be found and the game is too easy and it's turbines responsibility.
"I wanted the shroud to be made more difficult and when you made it more difficult, you are purposley trying screw me over. And now it's too hard and Im leaving for good
"my porage is too hot"
"my porage is too cold"
"This bowl of porage just plain sucks and Im leaving for little red riding hood's hood"

The same stuff that was posted 3 years ago, but we have seen new content released regularly since, and they topped it off with an expansion pack, followed by more content"

And next year, the cycle will start all over again after each and every update, patch, and hotfix.



Yay

Haha, very good point. Though it does seem to be quieter on my server anyways...

[Postumus]

Ive been reading posts just like this for 3 years.

"DDO is dead"
"the game is unplayable"
"The game is too hard"
"The game is too easy"
"ive got 50 past lives and every piece of top end gear that can be found and the game is too easy and it's turbines responsibility.
"I wanted the shroud to be made more difficult and when you made it more difficult, you are purposley trying screw me over. And now it's too hard and Im leaving for good

"DDO doesn't have enough epic level content!"
"MoTU expansion ruined the game!"

[Clemeit]

Ive been reading posts just like this for 3 years.

"DDO is dead"
"the game is unplayable"
"Clerics are unplayable"
"Turbine hates people that play clerics"
"Palemasters are uplayable because of the "nerf" of one spell, so Im leaving"
"Casters are unplayable because you screwed us by making a level 4 spell perform like it's supposed to, and Im leaving.............but I may be back"
"Turbine hates PM players"
"Turbine hates Ranger toons, so Im leaving but I ll hang around and still play the game"
"people are leaving in droves",
"I hate this game, but I will stay play it"
"Turbine is purposely trying to screw me over, but Im still gonna play and Ill show them"
"Im leaving for SWTOR and it's a much better game and everyone else is leaving too"
"Im leaving for Diablo3 and it's a much better game and everyone else is leaving too"
"Im leaving for GW2 and it's a much better game and everyone else is leaving too"
"This is the only game that has bugs and lag, so Im leaving for another"
"Turbine is losing money left and right and they will go under soon"
"The Devs don't know anything about coding and building a game"
"your selling +3 tomes in the store and people are leaving in droves because of it"
"The game is too hard"
"The game is too easy"
"ive got 50 past lives and every piece of top end gear that can be found and the game is too easy and it's turbines responsibility.
"I wanted the shroud to be made more difficult and when you made it more difficult, you are purposley trying screw me over. And now it's too hard and Im leaving for good
"my porage is too hot"
"my porage is too cold"
"This bowl of porage just plain sucks and Im leaving for little red riding hood's hood"

The same stuff that was posted 3 years ago, but we have seen new content released regularly since, and they topped it off with an expansion pack, followed by more content"

And next year, the cycle will start all over again after each and every update, patch, and hotfix.



Yay

Who else just read the first 3 and skipped to the last few lines

[Lyria]

I'd not recommend DDO to my friends or even a stranger since MotU came out.

Funny, I'm having a blast in MotU. I love King's Forest, love the druid class, love prowling around the Underdark (the first time I got attacked by a purple worm I squee'd in glee to the point where my bf had to come see what was going on -- "I'm fighting a purple worm! Lookit! Lookit!"), and enjoy the various MotU quests (gasp!).

To the point that my bf is debating picking it up and springing for some points so he can play with me again.

[azrael4h]

Well since I'm no native speaker, I admit that my English skills are far from perfect, but since you asked for it: I corrected your posts for you.


.) Sliding mobs (webbed, paralyzed or tripped): Hard to say whose fault it is exactly, without knowing the code. The only thing i can say for sure: It is not the physics engine. Why? Because the mob GOT hit by the effect. The effect is just not correctly handled => Fault of either spell/feat-effects engine, combat-engine, server-client synchronization or a problem in the correct communication between these parts of the code.

Of course I might be wrong, since I am not one of the programmers at Turbine who wrote the code. I can just make educated guesses based on how, in my experience, these things are normally handled.

Sliding mobs have been around as long as there's been CC in the game. It definitely has nothing to do with the physics engine.

For that matter, I really haven't noted any difference. Same old lag, same old everything, good and bad. Maybe Coal Chamber is a bit more annoying, but I fall asleep running that anyway.

[Hafeal]

We literally have one of the best communities in all of gaming.

*Lift up covers on DDO forums*

*Take a whiff*

Wow, if this is the best community in ALL of gaming, well, there is some room for improvement!

[arminius]

If they made a DDO 2 the first thing they'd do is make it just like every other mmo with the run-up-to-things-stand-still-cycle-hot-keys-for-non-active-swinging thing. And then standardize and limit character customization into a few paths.

I guarantee you that what we love most about the game is precisely what makes it so hard to manage, and given the chance to start over, some guy in a well-tailored suit somewhere is going to say, well to reduce costs and ease management, make it just like the others. There is a tiny percentage of devs that can even understand the goals of DDO development, much less excute them correctly, while everyone else knows and has experience with the WoW model. So that's exactly what you're going to get.

Happy?

[Chimeran1]

Not sure if it is dead but it sure is quiet these days.
Sub is still active but I have not played for days.
I loved the new content but with the epic paths, my toons are all OP.
Last time I played I just ransacked every chest I could with my 3 main toons in the hope of scoring some gear that I do not really need.. I have just run out of things to do and can not see myself TR'ing again any time soon.

LFM seemed dead, nothing to join except the old classics... shroud, EVon, Etides = yawn
The new raid sucks ( just boring, feels like those ridiculous Conan raids with 10000000 mobs )

The great thing with DDO is, if you do get bored, take a break or run another TR through the ringer, and well if you are too OP then go make a Drow barbarian druid, dual wielding dagger charisma build for diplo

[Chimeran1]

*Lift up covers on DDO forums*

*Take a whiff*

Wow, if this is the best community in ALL of gaming, well, there is some room for improvement!

RU Smellin meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee !!!!

[Tirisha]

Who else just read the first 3 and skipped to the last few lines

*raises hand*

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

The "Spaghetti Monster of Code" exists beause the major partner (Atari, for newcomers) pushed to release the game 6 months ahead of schedule, unfinished (therefore probably poorly documented), and then only paid for one or two pressings of the original boxed release. After that they just siphoned cash from Turbine, even forcing a couple of increases in their rakeoff by threatening to remove the D&D license from DDO.

Yes, this sounds very much like Atari. They never cared for games, just look at TOEE.
All they cared for was money, not the customer's atisfaction. They weren't even interested in customers feeling so satisfied over a product that hey would buy more from them.

There's a reason why I hate Atari/Infogrames. And THQ doesn't behave much better in some areas.

[the613]

The "Spaghetti Monster of Code" exists beause the major partner (Atari, for newcomers) pushed to release the game 6 months ahead of schedule, unfinished (therefore probably poorly documented), and then only paid for one or two pressings of the original boxed release. After that they just siphoned cash from Turbine, even forcing a couple of increases in their rakeoff by threatening to remove the D&D license from DDO.

Couple this with at least one nearly complete turnover in programming staff and you have the probable inspiration for the "Fear Factory" chain...

I've always thought that DDO's codebase was missing comments and documentation, this just added to my fear. Seriously, the number of times they've tried to fix something and end up breaking a whole host of other things is what made me think that in the first place.

OP, do you have any idea how many lines of code are necessary to make a simple game, much less a MMO with huge amounts of customization? I don't believe anyone in turbine, nor anyone on this forums, could trace through the code in an attempt to figure it out within a month. I believe it would probably take 1 person who is ridiculously awesome at debugging at least 6 months to get through a decent amount. Also, contrary to popular belief, quantity++ != quality++. Now, if you don't understand that, you have never programmed in C/C++, C#, or java before, and therefore shouldn't be talking.

[tralfaz81]

OP, do you have any idea how many lines of code are necessary to make a simple game, much less a MMO with huge amounts of customization?

I don't think most players realize that most of the changes they make in the game are the equivalent of trying to build a light rail in the middle of a busy city.

[Dalsheel]

i nominate this post for troll of the day

[the613]

I don't think most players realize that most of the changes they make in the game are the equivalent of trying to build a light rail in the middle of a busy city.

It frustrates me, as I code for a hobby, when people who have no idea of the challenges of making an MMO say turbine should restart from scratch. To me, it's the same as telling the US president to make "USA 2.0", totally absurd.