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    The Mad Multiclasser Failedlegend's Avatar
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    Default possibly Other...Have a TR Wiz1/Rogue1 need a change

    So I TRed my main character (a WF AM) into a Human PM after trying out the PM PrE and wanting to go non-WF (I just wanted to wear robes on my wizard, is that a crime :P) "luckily" I TRed JUST before 2 things happened (this was also JUST before they added the tomes persists through TR...had +3 Dex/Con/Int )

    1. I perfected a better "Tough Wizard" build (WizardPM12/FighterSD6/Rogue2/US)

    2. The SM & ISM feats got changed to PRR instead of a straight % which overall does less than half it used to and the Double strike bonus means nothing to this build

    So I have too option use the free LR to change stats and feats to just go Wiz18/Rogue2 (currently Wiz1/Rogue1)...probably AM simply to differ from my Tank build or I can drop some TP on an LR+3 (no biggie got plenty of TP left from the 11k I got from the expansion) to make a completely different class. One possibility being a Sorceror.

    Note: Normally I would just re-roll but this is a TR with a lot of wicked gear and is my main crafter for Thelanis (ironically the hybrid wizard mentioned above is my main crafter for Orien)

    TL;DR - Help me build a character that makes things dead,fast and preferably with lightning

    Anyways here's my idea for a Sorcerer build, but I am open to other ideas.

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    Human Sorc 20 (Air Savant)
    
    Con 18
    Int 10
    Cha 18 (Lvl ups here)
    
    H Toughness
    1 Extend (Swap to Greater Spell Pen Later)
    3 Empower
    6 Maximize
    9 SF: Evo
    12 GSF: Evo
    15 Heighten
    18 Spell Pen
    ED No idea - which ever is best at helping blow stuff up
    21 ESF: Evo
    24 ESP
    
    Skills: UMD, Concen, Diplo
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    The Mad Multiclasser Failedlegend's Avatar
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    no one?
    Quote Originally Posted by Cordovan
    There is little value in getting into an edition debate; as with anything, we create what we believe works best for DDO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failedlegend View Post
    (I just wanted to wear robes on my wizard, is that a crime :P)
    The Lord of Blades is your shepherd. Except with wicked swords instead of those sissy crooks or whatever. Instead of abandoning the 99 sheep to save the 1, he slaughters the whole fleshy 100 and calls it a day. Your robes will not save you from his wrath, be forewarned.

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    Arcanes are awesome, so awesome that if there's any build that can sustain not having inherent self-healing it's them...

    ...but it's still pretty annoying to not have inherent self-healing. For that reason alone I would stick with 18/2 PM. I think the sheer caster power over your 12 wiz build will be enough to differentiate it: Wail, Finger of Death, Mass Hold, Power Words, Black Dragon Bolt, Polar Ray, supercharged DoTs, Dancing Ball, halfway decent Spell Pen... it's pretty significant. I think if you go the human sorc route you will get to about level 12 and start getting really annoyed at how easily you get squashed, especially if you're the kind of person to go out of your way to make a tougher wizard when wizards are already not men, they are like pieces of iron.

    Your sorc build is pretty straightforward except you can't take GSP "at" level 1 when you don't take SP until level 18. You would have to feat swap before you took SP at 18, take SP at 1, then take GSP at 18. Not a critical problem, just preventing you some annoyance down the road.

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    It sounds like you just want to tear through this incarnation and move onto another. If that’s the case just do a 2 Rogue/18 Wizard, knock out 2 destinies and TR again. You’re only on a second lifer so it’ll go fairly quick so long as you’re smart about your leveling.
    Things worthy of Standing Stone going EXTREME PREJUDICE™ on.:
    • Epic and Legendary Mysterious ring upgrades, please.
    • Change the stack size of filigree in the shared bank to 50. The 5 stack makes the shared bank worthless for storing filigree in a human usable manner.
    • Fixing why I don't connect to the chat server for 5 minutes when I log into a game world.
    • Fixing the wonky Lightning Sphere and Tactical Det firing by converting them to use alchemist spell arcing.
    • Redoing the drop rates of tomes in generic and raid loot tables.

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    I don't want to rush trhough...quite the opposite actually, I just don't feel like playing another insta-killer...the "Hybrid" feel was supposed to feel fresh but I ended up making something much better so I was thinking I would make a straight up blaster instead.

    Anyways here's my AM plan (not sure which 2 spell focuses to use)



    Lawful Neutral Human Wizard18/Rogue2 "Archmage"

    Rogue1, Wizard 2 - 10, Rogue 11, Wizard 12 - 20

    Stats (34pt)

    Str 10
    Dex 8
    Con 18
    Int 18
    Wis 8 Cha

    Feats (* = Wiz feat)

    H Toughness
    1 PL: Wiz
    2* Augment Summoning
    3 Extend
    6 SF: ???
    7* Mental Toughness
    9 Maximize
    12 GSF: ???, SF: ???
    15 Heighten
    17* Empower
    18 GSF: ???
    ED: Magister
    21 ESF: ???
    24 ESF: ???
    Quote Originally Posted by Cordovan
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    It's not so much about instant killing as it is about having self-healing. You can play a PM without ever casting a Necromancy spell if you really want to, and you'll be dramatically better off than a fleshy AM. Again, if any build can pull it off it's an arcane, but why put yourself behind the 8 ball when you don't have to?

    Sorcerer SLAs are just so fun for blasting. The Magister/evocation thing has a lot going for it except you (obviously) have to be 20 to even start it, and limping up to 20 with a gimpy evo spec doesn't sound fun to me. If that's what you want, though, Evocation is the spec for you.

    The trouble with "fresh" is that sometimes (though not always) the beaten path is beaten for a reason: it's easier and more fun and more rewarding. There's a reason nobody goes to LA via Omaha, if you will.

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    I was just thinking of LRing into a Blaster Sorc (LR+3) or an AM Wiz (Free LR) instead of a PM wizard...nothing wild...just slightly different
    Quote Originally Posted by Cordovan
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    The thing is that even though it seems like a slight change, being a fleshy sorc/AM instead of a fleshy PM turns out to be a dramatic change. People lose their minds comparing PM to AM when we're talking about maybe 2 DC, and you're talking about dropping your inherent self-healing.

    Given that this life is stuck with human, I really very strongly encourage you to roll up a human sorcerer and a WF sorcerer on alts so you can see for yourself before you do anything to your TR build. If you get to level 13 on your first life fleshy sorc and realize you hate it, no big loss. If you're stuck with it on your TR build, you're probably going to want to tough it out, and it's just excruciating. I've seen too many guildies abandon fleshy arcanes not to mention it. You might pull it off, but why take the risk? That's all I'm saying.

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