DDO > Neverwinter

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

I had a chance to interview a few of the forum moderators, as the community begins to really pick up steam. This is about where the DDO community was in late 2005, early 2006. Hope those interested in giving Neverwinter a go, will find the podcast a fun listen.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/...ds/id577395805

[Ape_Man]

The more I see about this game the more ******** it looks. Just spend some time on their forums, watched all the videos, and it's just terrible cookie-cutter garbage.

I think if Turbine plays their cards right neverwinter could be good for them. People will try it, get disappointed because it's horrible, then be willing to try that "other D&D MMO.

[Musouka]

well... i got an interesting email of acceptance from the neverwinter guys... so I wont really be able to comment on the game anymore.

[Missing_Minds]

I had a chance to interview a few of the forum moderators, as the community begins to really pick up steam. This is about where the DDO community was in late 2005, early 2006. Hope those interested in giving Neverwinter a go, will find the podcast a fun listen.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/...ds/id577395805

Which mods? Offical Cryptic or forumites? yes, they do have forumites mod their forums.

[Uska]

No. Thought you knew that Uska. All content is free. Cryptic content as well as user generated content.

Now where they will make their money is on stuff like character/inventory slots, vanity, recyclables, extra ugc slots (free slots go to the best content providers), etc.

Uska, we agree on lots, and we have much of the same concerns for the game. No guarantees I'll be a fan of the game until I actually play beta. Right now though, I'm seeing potential here I haven't seen since DDO launched over half a decade ago. I am not turning a blind eye though to the things I dislike, I can promise you that

Thank you

but cryptic would have to pay me to play and even then it might be hard I trust you will keep us informed.

[Jay203]

hehe, we'll see
i did have the lifetime account from Champion so i'll try it out when beta comes around

[Musouka]

Man I wish I could talk about the game. But I am going to stay true to the NDA. It is a pretty fun game, and it is a different pace compared to DDO. Huge differences between it and DDO though. As they have talked about publicly, you only get a few abilities to use at any given time. So pick and choose what you think is best for your style or encounter.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Which mods? Offical Cryptic or forumites? yes, they do have forumites mod their forums.

I interviewed Truthseeker and Ambisinister, two of their volunteer mods. Both are former DDO players, and really dedicated gamers and good folks. In fact, Truth was in Tolero's guild here and he credited her in the podcast for much of the great work he's doing in keeping the Neverwinter community abreast. He clearly has great respect for her.

I am in process now to get one or two paid Cryptic reps on the show, which will most probably happen in the near future, but right now with closed beta launch around the corner (more on that in a few secs), it's just too hectic. Anyone in the business (or any attentive gamer really) knows that a few weeks before product launch is filled with a near inhuman work schedule, and that's exactly what's going on now at Cryptic.

February's PC Gamer magazine heads to Cryptic Studios for an exclusive hands-on into the world of The Forgotten Realms. Readers will get a key for a free in-game mount by grabbing the February 2013 issue of PC Gamer, or buying it online! Magazine goes on sale at newstands and online on January 8th. I am expecting them to finally release a hard date for closed beta, which I'm also guessing will be in mid to late January sometime.

To see screens of the mount and the amazing magazine covers, head to: http://nw.perfectworld.com/news/?p=793251.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Thank you

but cryptic would have to pay me to play and even then it might be hard I trust you will keep us informed.

Oh I understand Uska. There will be some that absolutely will not give the game a chance because it's based on 4e (I was one initially). Many will have to get used to the game mechanics differences of DDO. (I am NO fan of 4e, so I know I will never leave DDO.) However, this game is going to fill a very special niche, just like DDO does and will continue to do. Cryptic has their chance to really turn around their reputation and outdue themselves. It appears on the dev side they are doing just that. Code is really tight so far.

For me, I invested my time for our guild, and I'm really glad I did. I really dig the community over there, its similar to here with a lot of old school pnpers.. There is a lot of potential for the game, and they are allowing the community to build and shape the game right along with them. In time, as Cryptic gets the class count up, and the community gets the content up to snuff, I feel this will be a great alternative for many DDOers on their burn out binges, and for those who just want to give another authentic D&D adventure another spin.

[Musouka]

Oh I understand Uska. There will be some that absolutely will not give the game a chance because it's based on 4e (I was one initially). Many will have to get used to the game mechanics differences of DDO. (I am NO fan of 4e, so I know I will never leave DDO.) However, this game is going to fill a very special niche, just like DDO does and will continue to do. Cryptic has their chance to really turn around their reputation and outdue themselves. It appears on the dev side they are doing just that. Code is really tight so far.

For me, I invested my time for our guild, and I'm really glad I did. I really dig the community over there, its similar to here with a lot of old school pnpers.. There is a lot of potential for the game, and they are allowing the community to build and shape the game right along with them. In time, as Cryptic gets the class count up, and the community gets the content up to snuff, I feel this will be a great alternative for many DDOers on their burn out binges, and for those who just want to give another authentic D&D adventure another spin.

I was one too. I despise 4e tabletop rules, but as a computer game, it seems to work. I'm definitely going to have to pick up that issue of PC gamer just for that code... a free mount is HUGE.

[Aurora1979]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p_xhMPk3C4

Combat actually looks really lame. Foundry looks cool though.

Not sure if i watched the same video but it looked great fun to me

There's loads of sweet moves there to pull off, and tieiing them in with others like the ground strike one helping arcanes aoe etc.... I think that seems far from lame.

[Musouka]

I will say Rogue fighting in it feels more like rogue fighting should be, and not just a gimped fighter like DDO has.

[Missing_Minds]

I will say Rogue fighting in it feels more like rogue fighting should be, and not just a gimped fighter like DDO has.

I don't know 4e, but to compare the two may be a dis-service for both. Or if rogues are not very much changed from 3.x maybe it would be good. I really don't know.

[Missing_Minds]

There will be some that absolutely will not give the game a chance because it's based on 4e (I was one initially). Many will have to get used to the game mechanics differences of DDO. (I am NO fan of 4e, so I know I will never leave DDO.) However, this game is going to fill a very special niche, just like DDO does and will continue to do. Cryptic has their chance to really turn around their reputation and outdue themselves. It appears on the dev side they are doing just that. Code is really tight so far.

I hope they finally fixed their engine such that I couldn't out type it in the chat box. Running 60 FPS and I could out type it in the chat box? yeah, that isn't a good engine. (based on the engine used in Champions)

I won't be doing NWN because I'm waiting on another MMO and I'm too established over here to want to start over. I like having different generas to play, not replay the same type.

Also, PW. I dislike their policies a LOT. So for me, between the above and then PW... I said no. Which makes me sad as I miss CO at times, but PW bleh.

That said, I do hope the game is solid and fun. Games should be fun.

[Jay203]

I hope they finally fixed their engine such that I couldn't out type it in the chat box. Running 60 FPS and I could out type it in the chat box? yeah, that isn't a good engine. (based on the engine used in Champions)

I won't be doing NWN because I'm waiting on another MMO and I'm too established over here to want to start over. I like having different generas to play, not replay the same type.

Also, PW. I dislike their policies a LOT. So for me, between the above and then PW... I said no. Which makes me sad as I miss CO at times, but PW bleh.

That said, I do hope the game is solid and fun. Games should be fun.

Elder Scrolls online is going to be stupid

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

I hope they finally fixed their engine such that I couldn't out type it in the chat box. Running 60 FPS and I could out type it in the chat box? yeah, that isn't a good engine. (based on the engine used in Champions)

Yeah Champions wasnt their creation tho. I played Champions and was impressed with their bustling city ambiance, and creative art design, but the effort just seemed cheap to me. NWO is Cryptic's first game where they designed it from the ground up. That's why its "make or brake" in many ways for them.

Also, PW. I dislike their policies a LOT. So for me, between the above and then PW... I said no. Which makes me sad as I miss CO at times, but PW bleh.

I'm no fan of Chinese mmo games and companies, however PW has little to do with Neverwinter, other than for accounting purposes. Design is entirely Cryptic. If PW keeps their opinions out of the e-store (read: lockboxes, P2W) then Cryptic will be able to keep its word to only sell vanity and consumables in their store. We shall see on this one...[/QUOTE]

[Karavek]

There is alot of 3Evs 4E going on here, and as someone who wont ever play PnP 4E it may come as something of a surprise that I endorse it heartily as the D&D system for an MMO setting.

Likewise if there is one person out there that I have little doubt loves D&D its Jack E. head of Cryptic. Few here who played the old Planescapes:Torment PC game for 2nd Ed D&D will not sing its praises as the best D&D PC game probably ever made. And Jack E. is the one who largely gave it to us.

He also gave MMO players City Of Heroes. An MMO that though recently was KIA by NC-Suck a company business experts and MMO sights has poisoned the well for all MMO from here on out. No longer does an MMO or its development studio have any reason to think a parent company wont kill it off for no reason or fault of there own.

Cryptic is more aware of this then most, yet did nothing to try and really capitalize on CoHs closure to bolster its own current game Champions Onlines population or try and do something to give the game a second wind.

Instead they seem completely set on making NWO everything a D&D MMO can be.For the fans of the 3E D20 multi classing the fact is its very opposite of the more traditional style of D&D which isnt about the holy trinity, but it is about making a class choice more of a life long vocation then a whim.

The combat system of NWO will be very active more so perhaps then any other MMO to date.Likewise there though each class will be more then capable of soloing content, difficulty scaling will be very akin to CoH making it so the bigger the party the greater a challenge, but not in the cheap way DDO does it. Its hard to explain but those who had played CoH will understand what I mean.

Jack E. loves D&D and has played it since college. He has been long spoken of by those who have played with him as a very hard working DM who combines his love and degree in greek myth to create very indepth campaigns. This is a man anyone who plays D&D should have some faith in doing right by the franchise.

Finally there is this, no reason to think DDO will even be alive at launch of NWO. NOTHING keeps WOTC from shutting us down a month before NWO launches. Infact with the trend started by NC-Suck with COH and SWG being shut down prior to SWTOR launching despite it too having an active population in the thousands, who at 15 a month represent enough any reasonable company that cares about its supporting customers would of kept the lights on if not any more content planned.

So even as I hope for the best with NWO and have little doubt DDOs days are growing short I also dont see myself investing in anymore MMO from here on out. They will no longer cater to the long term investor and thus not warrant my investment in either time nor money.

[Missing_Minds]

hehe, we'll see
i did have the lifetime account from Champion so i'll try it out when beta comes around

If you haven't been logging in, consider it deleted per Perfect World rules. Last I read it was 6 months of inactivity and they delete your account.

Yeah Champions wasnt their creation tho.

Champions as a gaming name, no. Champions as the new ruleset, MMO, game engine, etc. Yes, that is ALL Cryptic.

If PW keeps their opinions out of the e-store (read: lockboxes, P2W) then Cryptic will be able to keep its word to only sell vanity and consumables in their store. We shall see on this one...

They didn't in CO or STO. I don't see any reason why they will in NWO.

Karavek, Jack E. has also been quoted as stating several things. From everything that "They will play the game I want them to play" to "Microtransations make me want to die." Seriously, when you look at his history, leaving positive marks isn't one of his strong suits. This time, however, he can't change things on a whim, he has to follow someone else's rules. This is probably the one thing that will save NWO as he f'd over CO at release. It was only when they replaced him that CO started to finally heal and get as fun as it was in beta.

[Karavek]

In truth my biggest concern can't be overcome its 4E WOTC should be nuked from orbit just to be sure that they cant do such an abomination ever again.

I dont think you grasp that 4E actually wasnt ever meant for PnP but as a live beta test for a 4E MMO. First thin I ever said when I saw a 4E book was " now this is a D&D system meant for an MMO" And here we are.

Whatever you love about 3E it was never used well here on DDO, only lead to so many diversity and castes issues DDO became a joke among the MMO community for its lack of social gaming. People restricting themselves to RL friends and guild only groups on such a game only hurt it beyond anything else.

I love D20 for PnP, own numerous various rules books for it, and cant stomach 4E in the least, yet for an MMO I have little doubt which will have a better community for social commraderie and dare I say it RP.

[Jay203]

If you haven't been logging in, consider it deleted per Perfect World rules. Last I read it was 6 months of inactivity and they delete your account.

dunno what you're talking about, my account is still there :P
but i could probably login just to be safe