Bug: item and bard doublestrike not stacking

[wax_on_wax_off]

So I was excited to see Inspire Recklessness today due to the 19.5% doublestrike it should have given but something was off and after testing a few combinations it seems certain - at least from a display POV - that Inspire Recklessness doublestrike and Epic Spare Hand doublestrike isn't stacking.

Values I observed were:
6%: base (opportunist + hail of blows)
9%: +epic spare hand
11%: +Inspire Recklessness +/- Epic Spare Hand
16.5%: Lesser Wind Stance+Running with the Wind III

Can anyone else test to confirm this and bug report as appropriate? I've bug reported it via the forum tool.

Another blow to bards I suppose, why does anyone play them again?

[Ayseifn]

So I was excited to see Inspire Recklessness today due to the 19.5% doublestrike it should have given but something was off and after testing a few combinations it seems certain - at least from a display POV - that Inspire Recklessness doublestrike and Epic Spare Hand doublestrike isn't stacking.

Values I observed were:
6%: base (opportunist + hail of blows)
9%: +epic spare hand
11%: +Inspire Recklessness +/- Epic Spare Hand
16.5%: Lesser Wind Stance+Running with the Wind III

Can anyone else test to confirm this and bug report as appropriate? I've bug reported it via the forum tool.

Another blow to bards I suppose, why does anyone play them again?

All items(doublestrike rings/spare hand/alchem air/etc.) give a morale bonus, same bonus as imspire recklessness and everything else I've looked at seems untyped. Except zeal, think it's a sacred bonus.

No idea if it's wai or not, probably is a bard songs don't stack with a lot of things now.

[Lonnbeimnech]

All items(doublestrike rings/spare hand/alchem air/etc.) give a morale bonus, same bonus as imspire recklessness and everything else I've looked at seems untyped. Except zeal, think it's a sacred bonus.

No idea if it's wai or not, probably is a bard songs don't stack with a lot of things now.

Also fighter cap is competence bonus, so it stacks with items or bard songs.

[taurean430]

You are right, it doesn't stack. A guildie and I were discussing this right after the spare hand was released and he had one. I didn't believe him and logged to Elkabongg to test it.

Same bonus, won't stack. Only takes the higher of two bonuses of the same type: morale. I used to like playing the recklessness song, and now I avoid it unless asked or bored. There is no upside as it doesn't stack with a lot of things. But it will lower your fort.

[Arlathen]

Tested stacking (according to the character sheet):

10% Zeal Spell - Sacred Bonus
05% Wind Stance 2 - Insight Bonus
06% LootGen Item - Morale bonus?..
03% GMoF: Hail of Blows - Untyped?
03% GMoF: Running with Wind - Untyped?
= 27% Doublestrike

[vbyahoo]

as the evening star monk set is also morale bonus, its not stacking with those as well.

[legendlore]

Can anyone else test to confirm this and bug report as appropriate? I've bug reported it via the forum tool.

It's been reported for months but it's likely very low on the developers to do list (just like fixing Anthem on Blasting chime).


The only song I can think of that currently stack with other abilities/gear is currently Inspire competence, just a quick run through; green=stacking, yellow=partially stacks (or has highest applicable bonus), red=no stacking at all.


Inspire courage; doesn't stack with other morale bonuses such as Heroism and Good hope.

Inspire competence; stacks (applies untyped bonus not competence otherwise wouldn't stack with most gear)

Inspire greatness; doesn't stack with common competence bonuses such as Battle skill (or just about any to-hit set bonus).

Inspire heroics; doesn't stack with other morale bonuses such as Heroism, think dodge stack now since u14 though (only applies 3% tho, just like gear with 4% dodge).

Inspire excellence; doesn't stack with other competence bonuses such as prestige stances.

Spellsong trance; doesn't stack with Pharlian inspiration ship buff.

Song of Arcane might; doesn't stack with Arcane augmentation items.

Spellsong vigor; doesn't stack with other spell point regenerating gear (such as Abbot gloves, haven't tested the new Faerun pots yet) and can't be used in conjunction with Virtuosos and Druids healing vigor abilities.

Sustaining song; doesn't stack with Spellsong vigor and Druids vigor.

Ironskin chant; doesn't stack with other DR.

Inspire recklessness; Doesn't stack with double strike gear.

Song of heroism; doesn't stack with other morale bonuses such as Heroism (duh ^^)


Now I'm not saying that all of these should stack with everything, but added together it's pretty easy to see that a bards group value is severely diminished from what it may seem to be at first glance.

[SealedInSong]

It's been reported for months but it's likely very low on the developers to do list (just like fixing Anthem on Blasting chime).

Now I'm not saying that all of these should stack with everything, but added together it's pretty easy to see that a bards group value is severely diminished from what it may seem to be at first glance.

Bards need tons of love. They'll probably get it when clerics get domains, i.e. probably never :[