Scammers putting junk on the AH.

[seebs]

I tend to list basically any stuff I get that's 400+p "base value" for something fairly close to {55% bid, 90% buyout}. I'm a newbie, I have very little plat, I don't care much.

[Therrias]

I've heard of people selling this for boatloads of plat.



http://ddowiki.com/page/Helm_of_Flame

[FestusHood]

I tend to list basically any stuff I get that's 400+p "base value" for something fairly close to {55% bid, 90% buyout}. I'm a newbie, I have very little plat, I don't care much.

Just to clarify, nobody is chiding anyone for selling low level loot. The thread is specifically about selling truly worthless items. Like the scroll case you get in the storehouse's secret that stays in your pack until you destroy it. It has no purpose.

Also the people selling individual thieves tools are definitely trying to scam someone, thinking that they won't notice that it's only one instead of 50.

As a tip, you might be able to make more money by deconstructing those items, and then selling the crafting essences you get from them.

[Systern]

I'm surprised no one's mentioned the jerks that go to house P, buy a Medium Collectables bag for ~8k, and then Auction it for 20K+

That's intentionally trying to rip someone off, and scamming in my book.

[countfitz]

No. Dont do this.

I dont feel like getting tells from people every 5 minutes who arent satisfied with my prices who think they know what the only real absolute price for everything on the server is.

I haven't agreed with Chai in a long time, but yeah, this.

[FestusHood]

I'm surprised no one's mentioned the jerks that go to house P, buy a Medium Collectables bag for ~8k, and then Auction it for 20K+

That's intentionally trying to rip someone off, and scamming in my book.

There's a fine line between scamming and exploiting. Scamming usually involves some attempt to deceive, where exploiting is just relying on the ignorance of the buyer, or sometimes a situational need. They're both pretty lame in my book, but at least in real life, only one would be illegal.

Anybody remember pet rocks?

Anybody remember the news images from years back of the guys selling blocks of ice for 25$ after a nasty Florida hurricane?

[dynahawk]

I stored a crystal ball I bought on the AH for months in my bank before I decided to research it and find out it was worthless. I chalked it up to the cost of a lesson learned.

[Hambo]

Can you give an example of a useless item that can be sold on the AH?

Bloodstones that are actually gems as opposed to THE Bloodstone, a trinket.

[Hambo]

I'm surprised no one's mentioned the jerks that go to house P, buy a Medium Collectables bag for ~8k, and then Auction it for 20K+

That's intentionally trying to rip someone off, and scamming in my book.

How about the ones that used to buy the thin quivers for 100 then sell for 1k+? The AH used to have pages of those...

[fco-karatekid]

There's a fine line between scamming and exploiting. Scamming usually involves some attempt to deceive, where exploiting is just relying on the ignorance of the buyer, or sometimes a situational need. They're both pretty lame in my book, but at least in real life, only one would be illegal.

Anybody remember pet rocks?

Anybody remember the news images from years back of the guys selling blocks of ice for 25$ after a nasty Florida hurricane?

I loved watching all the CNN stories from the states of ppl buying pieces of the Wall right after it fell in Berlin. NOTHING left the city for weeks, yet dufi in America were falling for it and buying "5x8 Sections of the Berlin Wall" within days...

[Chai]

There's a fine line between scamming and exploiting. Scamming usually involves some attempt to deceive, where exploiting is just relying on the ignorance of the buyer, or sometimes a situational need. They're both pretty lame in my book, but at least in real life, only one would be illegal.

Relying on the ignorance of the buyer can be deception. I dont see the two definitions of these words being mutually exclusive.

Anybody remember pet rocks?

People bought those willingly with no extenuating circumstances being present.

Anybody remember the news images from years back of the guys selling blocks of ice for 25$ after a nasty Florida hurricane?

This is a good example of exploitation. People are in a bad situation and other people are profiting on it by selling bottled water and ice at insanely marked up prices.

[WyntherKnight]

I'm not sure how this can be a problem when there are ways someone can prevent himself from buying these useless junk in the AH.

1) Most useless items are specific named ones (aspect crystal, The Pit Guide). They don't normally show up when you click a category unless you are specifically searching for them... so why in the world are you searching for them in the AH in the first place.

2) As someone has pointed out, DDO Wiki is your friend.

3) In the case of the bloodstone, Mouse-hover the item to see what it actually is. Item description will appear when you do that.

That's what I can think of at the moment, but I'm sure there's more.

[FestusHood]

Anybody remember pet rocks?

People bought those willingly with no extenuating circumstances being present.

The same could be said if someone buys the "Tears of Dhakaan" off of the auction house. It was, after all, a rock.

P.S. Pretty fancy editing, eh? I just figured out how to do that.

[danzig138]

No. Dont do this.

I dont feel like getting tells from people every 5 minutes who arent satisfied with my prices who think they know what the only real absolute price for everything on the server is.

Indeed. And in all honesty, I'd be one of those people who sends the "Are you high dude? ***?" messages. I get that urge all the time when browsing the AH.

[captain1z]

The same could be said if someone buys the "Tears of Dhakaan" off of the auction house. It was, after all, a rock.

P.S. Pretty fancy editing, eh? I just figured out how to do that.

There is a hobgoblin near the quest who will buy them from you for 10pp each. If you can get them cheaper than that, you could make a plat or two.

I know, still not worth it.

[Rip-V-Winkle]

showing the name of the poster would go a long way to cutting down on this sort of ****.

Having played a Game online that does list sellers name I can say the worst thing ever.
There is always some cry baby that will message you saying the price is to high.
Then they demand you sell for less.
It can be priced lower then any other of the same type item but they still complain.
Or expect you to take it off the AH and suffer the loss of the fee you paid to post it.

[Diyon]

Surprised no one mentioned this one yet: Lich Dust (or lich's dust or something).

There was the item used for upgrading high lvl Mabar items. And then there was a useless piece of junk with the same name, no clue where it comes from.

I think they may have already done something about the names, but when it was going even mousing over didn't help much unless you knew exactly what it was supposed to say. A whole lot of people got ripped off on these.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

on orien at the mo some arse is flooding the ah with +5 theives tools.

sold individualy.

technicaly not breaking the rules but...

showing the name of the poster would go a long way to cutting down on this sort of ****.

What's wrong with that ? +5 tools are very, very good ! Especially for low-level characters ! I think I once sold a few of them myself. - But I rather put them into the guild chest because I have no use for them (apart from my Artificer).

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

one mans junk is another mans treasure.

Exactly. Here, in real life, beggars are collecting deposit/refund bottles for getting cash.

Yah, that's inviting grief. Even if you price too low purposefully, you will get "hah! noob! I just bought yer item and am reselling it higher"... great, Warren Buffet, knock yerself out.

No, not grief - except if you call capitalism "griefing" in general.

The supporters of any "free market" usually say : "That's the way the free market works !!!"

How about the ones that used to buy the thin quivers for 100 then sell for 1k+? The AH used to have pages of those...

Yes, but again, exploiters always reply : "That's the way the free market works !" Is this an U.S.-american thing ?

Quite frankly nine times out of ten I come into contact with gougers and scammers when trying to negotiate through pst.

I once tried to bu something from someone via a trade dialog screen - I'd give him an amount of plat and he'd ive me the item.

somehow the interface just didn't allow me to give him plat. It always resetted my value into Zero ! - I have never found out whether this was buggd or not. In the end, we cancelled the trade.

Just to clarify, nobody is chiding anyone for selling low level loot. The thread is specifically about selling truly worthless items. Like the scroll case you get in the storehouse's secret that stays in your pack until you destroy it. It has no purpose.

Also the people selling individual thieves tools are definitely trying to scam someone, thinking that they won't notice that it's only one instead of 50.

As a tip, you might be able to make more money by deconstructing those items, and then selling the crafting essences you get from them.

Ah, okay, thank you with the clarification. I'm still not that familiar with the game ... Maybe people are just desperate for plat ? Repair costs ? Or their sales are just "jokes" ? "Let's see how many fall prey to it?" It'd be like "testing out waters".

I'm surprised no one's mentioned the jerks that go to house P, buy a Medium Collectables bag for ~8k, and then Auction it for 20K+

That's intentionally trying to rip someone off, and scamming in my book.

Yes, but there's alwys two sides of the coin :

Who informs the Newbies ?

And again I think that this is a "duty" veterans should embrace : Protect the Newbies from griefing. Because otherwise it'd be implicitely allowing exploiting as such.
In German language we call this "Welpenschutz", "protection of puppies". Everyone knows that puppies and kids need to be protected until they can take care of themselves.

[bigolbear]

Good idea, but out of curiosity, why 500 vs. a lower price? Just 'cause that's what you can stomach?

yeh prety much what i can stomach. And deconing wise theres often some good baragins in that price range, atleast on orien server.

I tend to find folks putting anythign from +1 to +4 gear on the ah at that price.. and +1 to +4 gear at anything from 10 plat to 10k plat.. The prices vary wildly, so i just hoover up whats nice and cheap.