Looking for guild, not to be a member of but to own

[GimpyPaw]

Short version is myself and a few others are going to form a guild. Gamers like nothing more than shortcuts, and in that light what I'm looking for is a guild we can buy. If you know somebody who has a guild, at least lvl 20+, that they would be willing to transfer ownership of I'd very much like to hear from them. PM me or respond here.

Thanks

[blerkington]

Hi,

It takes almost no time at all to get a new guild to level 20 if you have a couple of people playing regularly. So that bar seems a little low, because you could do it yourself very easily. What level guild did you really want to buy?

Getting a guild to a high level takes a lot of effort, usually by a group of people. My solo guild is Level 50 at the moment, and it took me over two years of regular play to get there.

I am not interested in selling it, but your post made me curious. What do you have that might be worth anything like that amount of work?

It also makes me wonder, for a guild which has more than one person in it, who can make the decision to sell?

Seems like you'd have to be careful of letting even the guild leader do it, because other people in the guild may not agree. If you get desertion occurring, the guild level may be decimated due to lost renown.

It might just be better to start your own or join one of the established guilds. Guild sale seems like a really murky area to me, certain special cases aside.

Thanks.

[Shunlee123]

Hi,

It takes almost no time at all to get a new guild to level 20 if you have a couple of people playing regularly. So that bar seems a little low, because you could do it yourself very easily. What level guild did you really want to buy?

Getting a guild to a high level takes a lot of effort, usually by a group of people. My solo guild is Level 50 at the moment, and it took me over two years of regular play to get there.

I am not interested in selling it, but your post made me curious. What do you have that might be worth anything like that amount of work?

It also makes me wonder, for a guild which has more than one person in it, who can make the decision to sell?

Seems like you'd have to be careful of letting even the guild leader do it, because other people in the guild may not agree. If you get desertion occurring, the guild level may be decimated due to lost renown.

It might just be better to start your own or join one of the established guilds. Guild sale seems like a really murky area to me, certain special cases aside.

Thanks.

Hey, just want to know how a solo guild is viable. Up to how many level can it rise and in particular, what is the daily decay rate if the sole member logs in everyday?

[akash]

Hey, just want to know how a solo guild is viable. Up to how many level can it rise and in particular, what is the daily decay rate if the sole member logs in everyday?

You can easily solo level up your guild to 100 but you have to be a power leveller, See this thread.

[blerkington]

Hi,

I don't want to hijack this other guy's thread, but DDOwiki contains some information about how much renown is required and how to estimate decay.

As for it being viable, I'd say sure, you don't need all of the best ship buffs to play. And most people are generous about inviting you to their better ships if you ask them.

Thanks.

[GimpyPaw]

The reason for wanting a guild "pre-built" so to speak is rather simple, saves a little time. How much time depends on how high the level of the guild.

Of course I / we would prefer to aquire a guild that is higher than 20, but you have to establish a minimum or some wisecrack would just form a guild, level it to 3 and offer to sell it.

Why would somebody sell or transfer their guild? There are always people leaving the game, people who formed a solo guild and have decided to join another, that sort of thing.

As for what type of compensation somebody might want, again that's going to depend on them. I'll wait to see what somebody has to offer and what they are asking before I start throwing out offers for unknown goods.

I've been tracking the renowned earned by myself and a few others who would be part of the guild. I typically earn between 3000 to 9000 renown daily (40k was my best one day earned). Others seem to earn as much or more. Getting to lvl 50 won't take long if we start from scratch, we know this and have run the numbers. Still, if there's a way to hack the system I'll take it.

[blerkington]

Hi,

Thanks for the additional information.

If you're earning 9000 renown per day, getting to Level 50 (6,250,000 renown) would take about 694 days on a single account guild, not counting decay.

You could speed it up by having more accounts. Six accounts, including some other people helping, would cut down on it considerably. Still, it won't happen all that quickly.

As mentioned in my last post, I have a Level 50 guild. Actually, it's Level 51 as of just now. What is that worth to you? Post, rather than PM, me your answer please.

Thanks.

[LOOON375]

Myself and two real life friends started our guild a couple of years ago. We are level 65 and half way to 66.

For the most part, we are very casual players. I own a restaurant and the other two have full time careers.

With the very small guild bonuses, it's very easy and quick to level a guild to 20.........considering. But it is still "work" and takes effort and valuable time.

Good luck...

[GimpyPaw]

Hi,

Thanks for the additional information.

If you're earning 9000 renown per day, getting to Level 50 (6,250,000 renown) would take about 694 days on a single account guild, not counting decay.

You could speed it up by having more accounts. Six accounts, including some other people helping, would cut down on it considerably. Still, it won't happen all that quickly.

As mentioned in my last post, I have a Level 50 guild. Actually, it's Level 51 as of just now. What is that worth to you? Post, rather than PM, me your answer please.

Thanks.

Your math is correct for a single account, but I have no intention of going alone. The guild size would be 12, and of those 12 I am hardly the top renown earning account. We don't farm renown, we just take renown rewards when offered and we grind quests. We play anywhere from 6 to 10 hours a day, we ransack chests and TR regularly.

I've run the numbers, factoring in guild size multipliers and daily decay relevant to the level achieved each day. Conservatively if we start from lvl 1 the 12 of us will be at lvl 40 in 15 days. If we could aquire a lvl 51 guild that would certainly save some time, about 3 to 4 weeks I expect.

That's worth something of course, but I expect we have vastly different views on what it's worth. You've already asked "What do you have that might be worth anything like that amount of work?" and so it is logical to assume that your query as to an offer is nothing more than speculative. Still, if you want an offer, what's it worth for me to shave 3 weeks off the run to 100, I'll say 750 turbine points.

[SardaofChaos]

At that low of an offer I don't think you'll be getting any offers from people who have been working at their guild. You /might/ get a small group of people to grind a guild up really quick, the same type of people who grind favor. You're essentially asking $10 for work that took anywhere from 3 weeks to multiple years.

[blerkington]

Hi,

Thanks for the thought, but for me anyway, that offer is way too low.

However, it does clear up whether or not you intended to offer TP rather than items available in-game. For what it's worth, in-game items might be more attractive than less than $10 worth of TP.

It will be interesting to see how this turns out. Good luck with it.

Thanks.

Your math is correct for a single account, but I have no intention of going alone. The guild size would be 12, and of those 12 I am hardly the top renown earning account. We don't farm renown, we just take renown rewards when offered and we grind quests. We play anywhere from 6 to 10 hours a day, we ransack chests and TR regularly.

I've run the numbers, factoring in guild size multipliers and daily decay relevant to the level achieved each day. Conservatively if we start from lvl 1 the 12 of us will be at lvl 40 in 15 days. If we could aquire a lvl 51 guild that would certainly save some time, about 3 to 4 weeks I expect.

That's worth something of course, but I expect we have vastly different views on what it's worth. You've already asked "What do you have that might be worth anything like that amount of work?" and so it is logical to assume that your query as to an offer is nothing more than speculative. Still, if you want an offer, what's it worth for me to shave 3 weeks off the run to 100, I'll say 750 turbine points.

[GimpyPaw]

To be honest I'm pretty much guessing at what to offer, because the seller's needs or wants are a complete unknown. If you happened to be concidering leaving DDO then in-game merchandice would of course be worthless, but in-game loot or plat certainly isn't out of the question.

I've seen guilds go up for sale in the past, which is why I thought to make this thread. How much a guild is worth, that's a very subjective thing. Many of you speak of all the "work" involved, but to me I see a guild leveling up as nothing more than a byproduct of playing the game. I'm in the game to play, to level up my toons and find gear. Renown just comes with all that. Yes I opt for the Impressive Trophy over the vendor loot, but how much plat do you really need to cover repair costs anyway?

If we haven't found a guild to transfer into by Thursday we will just form one. By doing nothing more than running the Underdark chains but not collecting our end rewards (check it for renown trophies, if none available take end reward and run again) 4 of us have already banked over 20k in renown on just the first of our toons. I'm not sure how long it will take us to reach lvl 20, but it will be within the first day, I know that.

[blerkington]

Hi,

Yes, I agree with you that it is hard to set a value for a guild. It's very circumstantial. And while you need to make a decent offer to get people interested, advertising what you are really prepared to pay could compromise your position.

I was hoping that this thread might encourage some discussion of what one is worth, since sales of this sort of fairly rare. Maybe that will still occur. Even if it is just people indicating what they would be prepared to take.

For what it's worth, I think starting your own guild as soon as possible is the best idea. So long as you don't buy an airship, the cost is very minimal in the lower levels, and it means that the renown you could get won't be wasted. If you do eventually find a seller for a higher level guild, you in turn may be able to sell your lower level one to someone else.

Thanks.

[akash]

Still, if you want an offer, what's it worth for me to shave 3 weeks off the run to 100, I'll say 750 turbine points.

IMHO unless you are extremely lucky, no one is going to sell their level 51 guild in such a low price. The level 25 ship costs 5000 TP worth of Astral Diamonds. Level 50 ship costs another 360,000 pp. I am not counting the buffs/ship upkeep cost at all. So good luck. If I was in your position I would rather create my own guild and level, good players can run any quest/raid without ship buffs, so 14 days of guild levelling without a ship won't hurt that much.

[count_spicoli]

Did you ever succed in buying guild? Looking to do same thing. If you did buy one what level was it and what did it cost you?

[GimpyPaw]

Did you ever succed in buying guild? Looking to do same thing. If you did buy one what level was it and what did it cost you?

Thread necromancy strikes anytime I guess. To answer your question I'll give the quick version of what we ended up doing.

10 of us formed a new guild, and using banked renown rewards and small guild bonus put the guild to lvl 23 in it's first day. About 2 weeks into the process another guild leader and in-game friend with a lvl 52 guild (about 5 members) offered us his guild. It was the opinion of most everyone in all 3 guilds that the power-leveling team should return to the original guild, while everyone else would make the lvl 52 guild their temporary home. We first quickly leveled that guild so it could have the Stormglory ship, making it more suitable for a larger guild.

We then transferred back, farmed renown like it was xp, and once we secured the Typhoon class ship invites were sent out and the guild is together on the new boat. Guild is lvl 98 now. I think one of the other officers gave our first startup guild to his kids, no idea if they crashed the boat yet.