Arcane Archer Epic Thornlord or Pinion?

[jandhaer]

Haven't bothered with the new raid yet. I have an E Thornlord on my AA was just wondering how important getting a Pinion is Im sure I will go get one just to say I have it at least. How do they compare DPS wise?

[karl_k0ch]

They have the same crit profile, and while Thornlord has more base damage (I am yet to see a post u14 screenie), Pinion has Shrieking, which is +7 damage against almost everything. On top of this, there is no other option to get Ranged Alacrity 20% with a bow - if you have enough other damage bonuses, Pinion is the clear winner. If you don't have enough base damage, it will probably be too, thanks to shrieking.

And this isn't even considering planar conflux bonus and seeker +10.

Edit: I stand corrected. Pinion is better anyway.

[Glenalth]

They have the same crit profile, and while Thornlord has more base damage (I am yet to see a post u14 screenie), Pinion has Shrieking, which is +7 damage against almost everything. On top of this, there is no other option to get Ranged Alacrity 20% with a bow - if you have enough other damage bonuses, Pinion is the clear winner. If you don't have enough base damage, it will probably be too, thanks to shrieking.

And this isn't even considering planar conflux bonus and seeker +10.

Pinion is higher base damage than Thornlord.

Epic Thornlord
2[1d8+2]+8 = 15+8
with an increase of 6.5 per +1[W]

Pinion
2.5[2d6]+7 = 17.5+7
with an increase of 7 per +1[W]

So you're already ahead on Pinion before taking into account a possible speed increase, a possible seeker increase, a possible +4/+4 increase, and shrieking.

It's also worth noting that Ranged Alacrity 20% is less than haste for ranged, but it is quite nice when you don't have a haste.


Due to epic destinies and twisting, the only time that Epic Thornlord comes out anymore is when there is some DR that needs to be broken that wasn't important enough to bother resetting destiny points or twists.

[scottmike0]

Haven't bothered with the new raid yet. I have an E Thornlord on my AA was just wondering how important getting a Pinion is Im sure I will go get one just to say I have it at least. How do they compare DPS wise?

Don't forget... Haste boost + haste spell does stack with manyshot >

so being said that you can have 22% ranged hit increase + Haste boost Iv = 30%

52% Increase to ranged damage making you an epic archer with many shot active!!!!!

[Glenalth]

Don't forget... Haste boost + haste spell does stack with manyshot >

so being said that you can have 22% ranged hit increase + Haste boost Iv = 30%

52% Increase to ranged damage making you an epic archer with many shot active!!!!!

That would be fairly epic. There are some issues with ranged not being affected by speed increases due to reload times though, which is why you get a 22% increase from haste instead of 15%. Thank you to whichever dev snuck that in, by the way.

[scottmike0]

That would be fairly epic. There are some issues with ranged not being affected by speed increases due to reload times though, which is why you get a 22% increase from haste instead of 15%. Thank you to whichever dev snuck that in, by the way.

still, It is gonnna be epic, which is why im thinking of making a 12 fighter 7 barb 1 druid(for shilega and ram's might)

[Glenalth]

still, It is gonnna be epic, which is why im thinking of making a 12 fighter 7 barb 1 druid(for shilega and ram's might)

Just make sure it's half-elf so you can squeeze in the damage boost as well.