Sneaky Fists

[Kennyburns]

Sneaky Fists
A 18/2 Rogue Monk
With high stun DCs good hp, umd, and dps
overall surviveablity
Monk Lvl 1, Rogue 2-7, Monk 8, Rogue 9-20 Cant live without my monkness
Feats
1 - Toughness ~ Monk - PA ~ Human - Stun Blow
3 - Completionist
6 - TWF
8 - Monk - Stun Fist
9 - ITWF
12 - Crit Blunt ~ Rogue - Opportunist
15 - Imp Sunder ~ Rogue - Imp Evasion
18 - GTWF ~ Rogue - Crippling Strike
21 - Epic Tuff
24 - Presicion

~Stats~
16 + 3 Tome +2 Completionist + 5 Lvl + 7 Item + 3 Abi + 2 Ship = 38
14 + 3 Tome +2 Completionist + 8 Item + 1 Exc + 2 Ship = 30
16 + 3 Tome +2 Completionist + 7 Item + 3 Exc + 2 Ship + 1 Human = 34
8 + 3 Tome +2 Completionist + 6 Slot + 2 Ship = 23
16 + 3 Tome +2 Completionist + 7 Item + 3 Exc + 1 Monk + 1 Human + 1 ED + 2 Ship = 36
8 + 3 Tome +2 Completionist + 7 Item + 2 Ship = 22

~Important Skills~
UMD, Conc, DD, Lock, Search, Balance

~UMD~
23 Base
5 Epic Lvl
6 Cha
3 Bunny
4 GH
2 Completionist
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43 Umd Yay Overkill

Assasinate 10 + 18 + 7 = 35 It's Gimp What you expect from a splash
Stun Fist 10 Base + 12 Toon + 6 GMOF + 6 LD + 10 Stun + 5 Combat Master + 13 Wis = 62 Stun Dc I Know i Missed Somethings Somewhere
Stun Blow 10 Base + 3 GMOF + 6 LD + 10 Stun + 2 Fighter + 5 Combat Master + 14 STR = 50
Imp Sunder 14 Base + 3 GMOF + 6 LD + 5 Combat Master + 14 STR = 42

~HP~
108 - 18 X 6
16 - 2 X 8
30 GFL
20 Toughness Item
10 GH Favor
45 GS
50 Epic Levels
300 - 14 X 25
30 Barb Past Life
50 Epic Tuff
5 Tortise
20 Racial Tuff
20 Heroic Durability
5 Standing Stone
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709
25 Rage
45 Yugo
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779

~Epic Destiny~
GMOF
Drifting Lotus Line
Perfect Balance 3
Dance Of Flowers 3
Hail Blows
Wis
Walking Waves 3
Dance Flames 3
Standing Stone
EiN
Piercing Clarity 2

Twist
Unearthly Reactions/Dragonhide 3
Legendary Tactics 3
Grim Precision 3

~Enhancements~
Rogue Damage Boost 2
Rogue Haste Boost 4
Human Adaptability Wisdom 1
Human Adaptability Con 1
Human Improved Recovery 2
Human Versatility 4
Rogue Subtle Backstabbing 2
Tortoise 1
Racial Toughness 2
Rogue Assassin 3
Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy 4
Rogue Sneak Attack Training 4
Concentration 1
Hide 2
Move Silently 2
Monk Wisdom 1
Rogue Scroll Mastery 2

~Dodge~
4% 2 Monk
4% Dun Robar
3% Grims
4% Rogue
3% Perfect Balance
3% Unearthly Reactions
21% Dodge
Ac end up decently high and usefull dont feel like taking forever on a breakdown
Saves somewhere in the 40-60 range

~Gear~
Trinket - Epic Facets
Glove - Epic Claw
Goggle - Tharnes/GS
Helm - Abi GFL
Boot - Abi Fort
Cloak - Abi 1 Con
Belt - Sun Soul
Bracer - Sun Soul
Armor - Dex 8 Carpison Sun Soul
Neck - Golden Guile/Epic Grims Dodge 3
Ring - ToD Wis 1 Holy Burst
Ring - Dun Robar Dodge 4 Str 7 DCs 5/Epic Stalker Dex 1/AC 4- I'll Pull That Avithoul Ring Eventually...
Wraps - Alchemical Silver/Addy Air/Air/Water

[~greator]

19/1 would be better since you get another lvl of sneak 2 lvls of monk all you get is an extra feat

[xoowak]

You're wasting skill points by taking monk instead of rogue at level 1.

[MeatSheild]

19/1 would be better since you get another lvl of sneak 2 lvls of monk all you get is an extra feat

Yep
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=292529

[Missing_Minds]

19/1 would be better since you get another lvl of sneak 2 lvls of monk all you get is an extra feat

incomplete answer.

2 monk gives you 1 feat and +1 to all saves
vs
+1d6 sneak and 1 special rogue ability.

Not going Monk 2 means he looses 1 stunning attack which is part of this build's point.
It could be argued he could lose something else. I'm assuming precision at this point.

[Kennyburns]

19/1 would be better since you get another lvl of sneak 2 lvls of monk all you get is an extra feat

You're wasting skill points by taking monk instead of rogue at level 1.

Yep
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=292529

Lets see what 1 rogue lvls gives me over 1 monk
1d6 sneak - pretty weak
+1 all skills - useless
Or i could get
+1 saves
+2% dodge
and precision for high Fort mobs - Huge DPS Increase - the only other feat i could lose without hurting DPS is epic Toughness
And that's survivability of great amounts, like tanking raid as a Rogue is always hilarious
Earth stance + claw = 45% threat gen, not great but with all the DPS you its its more than enough
Earth stance also gives you the 25% DR for rolling a 20
Improved deception = I Win

Overall fort bypass
25% precision
15% Rogue ED
10% Monk ED
10% Rogue Special Feat
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60% always
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10% imp sunder
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70% fort bypass
note blasting chime lower construct fort another 20 for 90% bypass (LoB)

[xoowak]

^I do not see a reply to my comment in that post. I was not talking about the 18/2 vs. 19/1 issue. What I was saying is that by taking monk instead of rogue at level one, you are losing 16 skill points (technically more, as you can't train DD/OL, and have to cross-class UMD/Search and play catch-up later).

[Kennyburns]

^I do not see a reply to my comment in that post. I was not talking about the 18/2 vs. 19/1 issue. What I was saying is that by taking monk instead of rogue at level one, you are losing 16 skill points (technically more, as you can't train DD/OL, and have to cross-class UMD/Search and play catch-up later).

Meh, have more then enough skill points
Most likely on the life after all my extra lives ill take a rogue first

[Malison]

19/1 would be better since you get another lvl of sneak 2 lvls of monk all you get is an extra feat

19 rog gets you 1d6 sneak attack and a rogue special ability.
1 ftr gets you a feat, a toughness enhancement, and a tactics enhancement.
2 mo gets you a feat, and better saves, and 2% dodge.

I very much prefer either 18/? version.


@OP:
A couple thoughts:
(1) Is it really worth your time to take epic toughness when you're already >700 hp? 3d6 bonus damage is a very tempting feat.
(2) skill mastery: you've got overkill umd as you say. Have you considered crippling strike? It's pretty negligible against trash that you'll have stunned, but -10 str on rednames is a decent debuff.

[Kennyburns]

19 rog gets you 1d6 sneak attack and a rogue special ability.
1 ftr gets you a feat, a toughness enhancement, and a tactics enhancement.
2 mo gets you a feat, and better saves, and 2% dodge.

I very much prefer either 18/? version.


@OP:
A couple thoughts:
(1) Is it really worth your time to take epic toughness when you're already >700 hp? 3d6 bonus damage is a very tempting feat.
(2) skill mastery: you've got overkill umd as you say. Have you considered crippling strike? It's pretty negligible against trash that you'll have stunned, but -10 str on rednames is a decent debuff.

Most epic mobs regen they're stat DMG Almost auto so I never really saw a point for str DMG, also str DMG pretty much only makes my ac a bit more useful/take few less damage which i guess is kinda decent for epic bosses but your right it is better than skill mastery

Rage is pretty just a thing for when the caster throws it its not really worth much
And yugo hp pot is something i rather stay away from because of the DPS Loss
3d6 Sneak need needs 21 base Dex which would mean losing something else somewhere, and when you get hit for 200 a hit with often double strike more hp is always good