Green scale drop rates ?

[psi0nix]

I've completed the "well" quest 19 times now... that NINETEEN, 19, nine.teen. . . . . . .

With that number in mind, I have a grand total of 2 green dragon scales, I have completed this on normal / hard / elite.

I had one scale drop on normal the very first time I ran the quest, and one scale drop on hard on my fifteenth run.

Really ?

By this I assume it takes what ? - 100 ? - 200 runes to achieve the 20 scales required to do anything with ? That is assuming the scales drop with the same rate (roughly 2 every 20 runs).

That just seems very low to me, especially considering your on ransack after 9 consecutive runs and have to wait a week to start again.

That kind of makes it well, not worth it plain and simple, it's a waste of time and effort, like alot of things in eveningstar. (challenges anyone?).

I worked out the challenges take about 3000 of EACH ingredient to obtain a fully upgraded cloak.

The gear we can get from doing these quests will be well outdated by the time we are able to farm that much.

I mean sure if you play 24hrs a day and run every chest to ransack you might get it done quicker.

I don't know, I guess this is why I have been playing other games lately, DDO just seems to be getting "tiring".

/end rant.

make of it what you will.

[Ranncore]

Have you noticed that when you repeat this quest it says

Repeat Quest: Quest Name Goes Here

I thought that was really classy. Good job on the expansion, Turbine.

[psi0nix]

Yes I still get that - "Would you like to repeat the "Quest Name" Quest ?".

And those evil creatures the <STRING TABLE ERROR ID:0000000x100D> still populate the dungeon.

Things like that I can live with, but the drop rates . . . . that's something else entirely.

Is there somewhere else to farm those scales ?

I can pick up 3 flawless red dragon scales in the space of one day, but green ? pfft.

Which is why I think there has to be something wrong with the drop rate, any other item / ingredient I can farm reasonably quickly (less than 2 weeks), but those green scales, it looks like it would take about a year. Keeping in mind that you have to wait a week after ransacking a chest.

[stoerm]

Is there somewhere else to farm those scales ?

There's a green dragon rare encounter in the King's Forest that drops them too. I've no idea on the viability of farming that.

I ran DDtW yesterday for the first time and pulled a scale. Got me thinking about the viability of farming it, since the quest was so quick and easy to solo. Thanks for posting your experiences, saved me the effort.

[BrightAsh]

I've completed the "well" quest 19 times now... that NINETEEN, 19, nine.teen. . . . . . .

With that number in mind, I have a grand total of 2 green dragon scales, I have completed this on normal / hard / elite.

I had one scale drop on normal the very first time I ran the quest, and one scale drop on hard on my fifteenth run.

Really ?

By this I assume it takes what ? - 100 ? - 200 runes to achieve the 20 scales required to do anything with ? That is assuming the scales drop with the same rate (roughly 2 every 20 runs).

That just seems very low to me, especially considering your on ransack after 9 consecutive runs and have to wait a week to start again.

That kind of makes it well, not worth it plain and simple, it's a waste of time and effort, like alot of things in eveningstar. (challenges anyone?).

I worked out the challenges take about 3000 of EACH ingredient to obtain a fully upgraded cloak.

The gear we can get from doing these quests will be well outdated by the time we are able to farm that much.

I mean sure if you play 24hrs a day and run every chest to ransack you might get it done quicker.

I don't know, I guess this is why I have been playing other games lately, DDO just seems to be getting "tiring".

/end rant.

make of it what you will.

Red dragon scales before this were more, or as rare as you discribe and definetly harder to get. I aprove of the current droprate gor FGDS. For example I think it is a bummer that the red dragon scales drop like hail stones in a stormy autumn day now. Don't get me wrong, i have only 6 FRDS since i started playing 3 years a ago, and 5 of em I got in the last 3 weeks. So I don't have all gear I'm a mediocre player (well no, i'm great of course, but I don't play that much )

I like the ultra low droprates so the people who put the effort in it get the cool stuff. If it is just up for grabs, there is nothing special about it. Now if I see someone in a green dragon armor I go 'WOOOOOW, he must be awesome!!' (or in lack of a social life )
The game needs that. It lacks endgame since the update, so it needs some high end stuff that is super rare.

[Pantronic]

Red dragon scales before this were more, or as rare as you discribe and definetly harder to get. I aprove of the current droprate gor FGDS. For example I think it is a bummer that the red dragon scales drop like hail stones in a stormy autumn day now. Don't get me wrong, i have only 6 FRDS since i started playing 3 years a ago, and 5 of em I got in the last 3 weeks. So I don't have all gear I'm a mediocre player (well no, i'm great of course, but I don't play that much )

I like the ultra low droprates so the people who put the effort in it get the cool stuff. If it is just up for grabs, there is nothing special about it. Now if I see someone in a green dragon armor I go 'WOOOOOW, he must be awesome!!' (or in lack of a social life )
The game needs that. It lacks endgame since the update, so it needs some high end stuff that is super rare.

Whoever came up with the idea that endgame=endless grind should be beaten to death with a Muckbane. Surely endgame should be about the challenge, rather than being able to do one thing ad nauseum that--let's be honest--isn't that hard.

Please don't take this as a personal criticism... I'm talking about me here, too. I don't know what's worse: going along with it because we want the loot or being impressed when someone does it.

[psi0nix]

The scary thing is that every day I log in, I run this quest, it's almost a part of my "Warm up" now.

I just feel that 1 in 10 runs dropping a scale is a bit low, it's most likely worse than that it's just basing it on the 2 scales in 20 runs, when I get to 30 runs I'll be fairly over it I think.

I think end-game isn't about farming out the best gear, it's doing the Epic Elite raids / quests and actually completing. The gear side of things for me is just a "nice to have" type deal and obtaining the items in no way deters me from running the raids / quests.

I have a torc and bramble casters and tonight on my 20th completion of DQ should have (fingers crossed) the bracers of the demon consort. But I will still be running this raid again and again because it's a good one.

[Tid12]

Do as you did with the old FRDS for the old Epic Red scale armor: Buy and trade them.

[BrightAsh]

Whoever came up with the idea that endgame=endless grind should be beaten to death with a Muckbane. Surely endgame should be about the challenge, rather than being able to do one thing ad nauseum that--let's be honest--isn't that hard.

Please don't take this as a personal criticism... I'm talking about me here, too. I don't know what's worse: going along with it because we want the loot or being impressed when someone does it.

None taken
I agree it should be about challanges, but in order to have people coming back to play, you need the grind. If people get everything really fast they get bored, even if it is still a challange.

This game is basically a slot machine. Every now and then you get a reward. If you get a reward every to times you pull the lever, you're rich in no time, you get bored and leave the casino, thus stop spending money. MMO's are the perfect example of operant conditioning.

I know this makes it sound like we're all addicts but... wait... we are

[stoerm]

It's about the same with the old dragonscale armors. I'd go insane farming Tor for scales all the time. It's something I do once in a while and eventually I'll have the scales.

[FZTopaz]

First time my static group and I ran this quest was on epic normal (level 20s at the time.) Four of us went through it, and two of us (not me) got a scale. It is now part of my daily routine, as someone else mentioned above, along with Tor (guaranteed scales) and a couple others (ADQ every three days). In that time, I have run this quest around 30 times. I have had two drop for me.

Do I wish the drop chance was higher? Oh god yes....of course I do...but then, the reason I would want them (value to other players = plat in my pocket) would disappear. Keep it the way it is now, and I'll be good to go. It's not like I am ever going to make that armor for any of my toons.

[oweieie]

Easier to get the scales than the commendations.

[gradeyshane]

easier to get the scales than the commendations.

rofl not!

[oweieie]

rofl not!

Okay, I'll just ask in trade and have those commendations in a few hours then shall I? No. Okay, so not easier. Maybe about as easy? I'll go solo CotW to ransack on all my different toons over the next couple days to get them then shall I? No. Okay, so not about as easy.

I'm sticking with commendations are harder, thanks for you "input" chuckles.

[Loromir]

Okay, I'll just ask in trade and have those commendations in a few hours then shall I? No. Okay, so not easier. Maybe about as easy? I'll go solo CotW to ransack on all my different toons over the next couple days to get them then shall I? No. Okay, so not about as easy.

I'm sticking with commendations are harder, thanks for you "input" chuckles.

I assume he thought you were talking about the easy to obtain commendations from Kings Forest.

I've seen a screenshot if the Green Dragon Scale armor, and I say...it is not worth the trouble.

[Syllph]

Okay, I'll just ask in trade and have those commendations in a few hours then shall I? No. Okay, so not easier. Maybe about as easy? I'll go solo CotW to ransack on all my different toons over the next couple days to get them then shall I? No. Okay, so not about as easy.

I'm sticking with commendations are harder, thanks for you "input" chuckles.

I have to agree here been ransaking the quest repeatedly and I have 13 greens and only 2/3 heroic commendations. Much easier to get greens, though both suck.

[teh_meh]

Are you seriously griping about a +10% drop rate?

[gradeyshane]

I assume he thought you were talking about the easy to obtain commendations from Kings Forest.

I've seen a screenshot if the Green Dragon Scale armor, and I say...it is not worth the trouble.

Yeah my bad sorry bout that, no posting before coffee

I agree, the armor just isnt worth the effort that it would take at the rate of drops we have on it now.

[Aelonwy]

None taken
I agree it should be about challanges, but in order to have people coming back to play, you need the grind. If people get everything really fast they get bored, even if it is still a challange.

This game is basically a slot machine. Every now and then you get a reward. If you get a reward every to times you pull the lever, you're rich in no time, you get bored and leave the casino, thus stop spending money. MMO's are the perfect example of operant conditioning.

I've heard/read this mentality/theory before and maybe its true of some people (I'll never know), but its certainly not true of me and perhaps less true of the altoholic in general. I would prefer the drop rates be abit higher, there to be less BTC aspects to the game, and less grind in general ...but I'm an altaholic. I literally cannot focus my attention on just one character, never could. What keeps me playing isn't the grind for any particular piece of gear, I really couldn't care less, I have one piece of greensteel, zero DQ or VON items, never been to TOD, have no dragonscale of any kind.

However, I have friends I like to adventure with, ppl I like to chat with as I do any kind of inventory maintenance (and gee there seems to be more of that lately) and what truely entertains me - leveling different classes as various races with different build choices with unusual feat and enhancement choices hunting down bad guys with different tactics or combat choices or weapons/weapon effects. Game mechanics such as crafting (mostly for necessities), TRing (for the i really liked this character and want to play them all over again moments), and now the new Monster Manuals (I've killed how many kobolds?!?!?!), seem tailor made for someone like me whose pace is glacial and just enjoys character development more or less for itself.

[Siro]

The perceived lack of progress is more the issue with regards to collecting a bunch of things to make something. Dragons have lots of scales, armor presumably also takes a lot of scales, but less than the amount the dragon has. The dragon is much bigger after all. However, in the process of obtaining scales, one must beat the life out of the dragon, presumably damaging a large amount of scales in the process.

If the armor took a few thousand scales to craft and the quest always dropped half a dozen to a few dozen for each player, players would have a much clearer picture regarding progress.

I think the whole thing with the cloaks costing double each time is pretty messed up though. Doesn't really match what was done with Cannith challenges.