Please add insightful +3 intelligence/charisma docent in the next update

[danlan]

As title suggests, please add insightful +3 intelligence/charisma docent in the next update, for the sake of wf casters.

U15 already adds an insightful +3 wisdom docent which I doube anyone would use, we really why not just add a docent version of spidersilk robe?

[Ranncore]

Why would there be any docents in Faerun?
If your answer is, "for the players," then I ask, "Why do the Clerics of Aumantor hand out shortswords?"

[Cinos]

It's not really needed with the +8 Cha Stone Heart, the planar focus trinkets and the abundance of stuff with +2 insightful or +1 exceptional

You have to gear a bit differently but you're not worse off than fleshies.

[SoloPhalanx]

It's not really needed with the +8 Cha Stone Heart, the planar focus trinkets and the abundance of stuff with +2 insightful or +1 exceptional

You have to gear a bit differently but you're not worse off than fleshies.

you're wrong. litany is #1 trinket. which means you only have 1 place to slot +3 insight, which is body.

+8 int/cha can come from lootgen, +3 insight can't. WF are below fleshies by 1 point from gear, leading to a total of 3 behind from drow, and 2 behind from human. that's a possible 2 DC below drow, very much significant

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=383692

[akiraproject24]

you're wrong. litany is #1 trinket. which means you only have 1 place to slot +3 insight, which is body.

+8 int/cha can come from lootgen, +3 insight can't. WF are below fleshies by 1 point from gear, leading to a total of 3 behind from drow, and 2 behind from human. that's a possible 2 DC below drow, very much significant

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=383692

yes but as a Warforge you are immune to disease and poison.....oh wait nevermind they broke that ....I support your statement

[Kabaon]

Wait, wait. Your saying LITANY is the number one trinket... because it adds +1 to all stats? really? I don't care that it stacks because it's profane, but that sounds REALLY junky for a caster. I guess I'll just keep my more beneficial trinkets. Bauble, Planar Focus +8 int (I think that's what I got, might be +3 insightful int) etc.

At least that's more beneficial than the +1 to str, dex, and wis, cha that I don't need or want lol.

[Cinos]

Well, it's your own fault for wanting to use Litany, you're gimping yourself. It's really not worth a permanent slot anymore, only as a switch-in for the clickie.

Additionally, 2 DC isn't a big deal for a sorcerer.

[Kabaon]

Exactly, sorcs basically go into a quest, blow stuff up, and the mobs go "please sir, can I have another" from the damage, until they die lol.

DC's are nice, but not required.

[akiraproject24]

I feel the litany is an ideal caster trinket encompassing wiz and sorc...its easier to tell yourself its not due to the grind associated with it however. Its a source of stacking DC type stat and hp stat lets not forget the con. For example if you truly want to max your int on say your wizzy you would go with litany, random gen int +8 goggles and insightful int spidersilk. Then you would tome and twist and feat your way to top of the foodchain DC wise. So while some dont want to go thru the grind for it..thats ok. But to say its not the ideal ...imo is incorrect.

[Cinos]

I feel the litany is an ideal caster trinket encompassing wiz and sorc...its easier to tell yourself its not due to the grind associated with it however. Its a source of stacking DC type stat and hp stat lets not forget the con. For example if you truly want to max your int on say your wizzy you would go with litany, random gen int +8 goggles and insightful int spidersilk. Then you would tome and twist and feat your way to top of the foodchain DC wise. So while some dont want to go thru the grind for it..thats ok. But to say its not the ideal ...imo is incorrect.

If anything it sounds you're desperately trying to justify the grind you did for it. It's very arguable if it's the best, especially for sorcerers who don't benefit a whole lot from DC, much less the single point of it that Litany would provide. There are several things I'd rather slot as a sorcerer, including Insightful Con +3, Insightful Cha +3 as a Warforged, and Epic Jerky if I don't have Greater/Superior False Life slotted elsewhere.

Finally, by slotting anything else I can spend an Epic Destiny point or 6 APs in a non-charisma stat.

It's hardly inarguably the best for a sorcerer. Wizard? Now that I could see.

[Ertay]

I feel the litany is an ideal caster trinket encompassing wiz and sorc...its easier to tell yourself its not due to the grind associated with it however. Its a source of stacking DC type stat and hp stat lets not forget the con. For example if you truly want to max your int on say your wizzy you would go with litany, random gen int +8 goggles and insightful int spidersilk. Then you would tome and twist and feat your way to top of the foodchain DC wise. So while some dont want to go thru the grind for it..thats ok. But to say its not the ideal ...imo is incorrect.

Considering litany: Whether the grind would now be worth it or not might be questionable, but I agree that it is absolutely the best in slot. True, the difference might only be noteable in epic elite, but it is there nonetheless, and even for sorcs at that. If you push a sorc a bit, he can absolutely bring the dcs to cc decently, and this will help somewhat.

[sephiroth1084]

Wait, wait. Your saying LITANY is the number one trinket... because it adds +1 to all stats? really? I don't care that it stacks because it's profane, but that sounds REALLY junky for a caster. I guess I'll just keep my more beneficial trinkets. Bauble, Planar Focus +8 int (I think that's what I got, might be +3 insightful int) etc.

At least that's more beneficial than the +1 to str, dex, and wis, cha that I don't need or want lol.

Well, it's your own fault for wanting to use Litany, you're gimping yourself. It's really not worth a permanent slot anymore, only as a switch-in for the clickie.

Additionally, 2 DC isn't a big deal for a sorcerer.

If anything it sounds you're desperately trying to justify the grind you did for it. It's very arguable if it's the best, especially for sorcerers who don't benefit a whole lot from DC, much less the single point of it that Litany would provide. There are several things I'd rather slot as a sorcerer, including Insightful Con +3, Insightful Cha +3 as a Warforged, and Epic Jerky if I don't have Greater/Superior False Life slotted elsewhere.

Finally, by slotting anything else I can spend an Epic Destiny point or 6 APs in a non-charisma stat.

It's hardly inarguably the best for a sorcerer. Wizard? Now that I could see.

You guys have got to be kidding. First, you can get +7, +8, +2 to either of Int or Cha in several gear slots. If you don't care about your DCs, then why are you bothering with a trinket that gives you nothing but +3 Cha? Are you using the staff from Caught in the Web? It's not much for nuking.


Litany of the Dead is the only source for a +1 profane bonus to your casting stat, and comes with a bonus to all of your other stats as well. If you care at all about your DCs, it is the best trinket you could be wearing. The fact that it also can be granting you +25 HP, +1 to all your saves and skills, more carrying capacity, a further buffer vs. become helpless from stat damage to any stat, and has a useful clicky on it just further serves to emphasize the point.


And if you think that sorcerers need not concern themselves with their DCs, you've been playing your sorcerers wrong. Good sorcerers nuke and instakill, and they don't see Evaded come up when they toss out their AoEs. I'll admit that you can play a sorcerer without really going all-in on your DCs, but then you're not looking to be optimized anyway, so you can put on whatever **** trinket you like.


Warforged need better docent support. Plain and simple, and their docents need to not all be variations on the Quori Forged Docent of Battle.

[scoobmx]

don't you get it, they don't care about you anymore. They basically made their quick buck selling you WF in the store (for 995 tp no less) and then turned their backs on you and said 'we don't care about you anymore'.

Basically zero thought goes into warforged at all, from all angles, whether it's gear design or mechanic design or destiny/enhancement design or quest design or even bug testing.

The dev argument is basically 'we don't play warforged so we don't know about anything related to them', which I can only conclude one of 2 things:

1) They are just playing favorites and choosing fleshies over warforged because they somehow like them more and choose to devote more dev time into fleshies
2) They're just really dense and for some reason don't see any problems whatsoever even though there are constant threads and bug reports

For 3 months now heal amp is broken in various ways, now you have to relog every time you die or swap gear to reset your heal amp. If that isn't called game-breaking show-stopping bug then I don't know what is.

and re: litany. litany is the gold standard for trinkets. I wear it on every single toon (sorc, fvs, fighter, monk). Yes it is that good. That's why people go nuts when it shows up in the chest.

[sephiroth1084]

For melees, Litany is better than other trinkets on its own, but if you're completing Planar Conflux sets, it falls behind, unless you really need the extra HP, saves and skills.

[scoobmx]

For melees, Litany is better than other trinkets on its own, but if you're completing Planar Conflux sets, it falls behind, unless you really need the extra HP, saves and skills.

Only problem with sets is you're stuck with generally trashy weapons, and when you aren't, they mostly don't break DR. A fair comparison would be conflux trinket with balizarde vs litany with drow khopesh.

[Chai]

you're wrong. litany is #1 trinket. which means you only have 1 place to slot +3 insight, which is body.

+8 int/cha can come from lootgen, +3 insight can't. WF are below fleshies by 1 point from gear, leading to a total of 3 behind from drow, and 2 behind from human. that's a possible 2 DC below drow, very much significant

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=383692

Litany is now a twink item,and nothing more.

2 DC is nowhere near as significant as it used to be because when both are maxed out, its the wf that has the advantage, not the drow. If someone wants to be "maxed out" they will have to have stars aligned gear. This is not needed, as I have seen quite a few instances of casters doing epic elite without being anywhere near stars aligned gear slotted or maxed out salient ability. They still easily get the job done.

How many people make WF compared to drow sorc. Guess they will have to decide which is more important, moar DC or better self healing. The advantage is no longer the DC, because what one can have even without +3 insightful or litany is already overkill for most content When its not, those casters are still very effective, in many cases the most effective class.

Its very D&D esque to have these kinds of dilemas where people need to decide and there is a trade off. If youre using drow as your measuring tool, youre using the already most gimped race in DDO. Perhaps these little dilemas are what drow need to set them apart from the other better caster races.

[sephiroth1084]

Only problem with sets is you're stuck with generally trashy weapons, and when you aren't, they mostly don't break DR. A fair comparison would be conflux trinket with balizarde vs litany with drow khopesh.

That's going to be very build-dependent. In the case of my paladin, Balizarde is a feat-free khopesh, and breaking DR isn't as big a concern with the paladin capstone, not to mention the possibility of twisting in Gird Against Demons for cold iron.


I'd like to see a DPS comparison between those two set-ups.

[AtomicMew]

What do you mean by "stars aligned" gear? Getting max DC gear is not hard. At all.

+3 insightful spidersilk
+8 int item
+1 exceptional slot (anywhere)
+1 litany
+3 DC staff of the necromancer

All of these items have very high availability with the hardest to get being litany. Abbot is so easy nowdays, that's not too much of an issue either. You can get all of the above easier than it would take to craft a cleansed double shard GS. No star-alignment needed.

[HalfORCastrator]

What do you mean by "stars aligned" gear? Getting max DC gear is not hard. At all.

+3 insightful spidersilk
+8 int item
+1 exceptional slot (anywhere)
+1 litany
+3 DC staff of the necromancer

All of these items have very high availability with the hardest to get being litany. Abbot is so easy nowdays, that's not too much of an issue either. You can get all of the above easier than it would take to craft a cleansed double shard GS. No star-alignment needed.

One of the hardest now is actually the last int point, the few fate points needed for it. (assuming you're going for the spell pen for EE-fatesinger stance and a +3 sp from drac/mag)

And what about that Abbot? Got your comp fixed/replaced? My wiz needs his Litany, after all...

[Kabaon]

Ok, so answer me this. If my stats are EVEN and I get a litany, what good is it then as "best trinket". Aside from my wisdom and cha I think all my other stats are even. What good is a +1 stacking bonus then? Oh right the only response is ship buffs with +1 stats instead of plus +2.....

I'd much rather the Bauble, or the Planar Focus, or at this point the nerfed Eardweller over a +1 to my stats that does nothing....