2 Quick Wiz Lives

[smithj_2020]

Here is my setup for 2 quick wiz lives (TR'n my 20 Cleric)

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Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Male
(2 Rogue \ 18 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 306
Spell Points: 1438 
BAB: 10\10\15\20
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 18
Will: 10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    16
Dexterity            10                    12
Constitution         18                    22
Intelligence         18                    28
Wisdom                6                     8
Charisma              6                     8

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                     5
Bluff                -2                    -1
Concentration         6                    29
Diplomacy            -2                    -1
Disable Device        8                    33
Haggle                2                     3
Heal                 -2                    -1
Hide                  4                     5
Intimidate           -2                    -1
Jump                  6                     7
Listen                2                     3
Move Silently         4                    18.5
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                4                     9
Search                8                    32
Spot                  2                     4
Swim                  2                     3
Tumble                4                     5
Use Magic Device      2                    22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation I
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I


Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes
Enhancement: Combustive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Reconstructive Spellcasting I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I


Level 4 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Deadly Flame I
Enhancement: Mighty Reconstruction I
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation II
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation II


Level 5 (Wizard)


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing I
Enhancement: Combustive Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Force Manipulation I
Enhancement: Repair Manipulation III
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II


Level 7 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Deadly Flame II
Enhancement: Mighty Reconstruction II


Level 8 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing II


Level 9 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration
Enhancement: Flame Manipulation III
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II


Level 10 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III


Level 11 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III


Level 12 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Necromancy
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master I
Enhancement: Summon Skeletal Knight
Enhancement: Shroud of the Zombie


Level 13 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II


Level 14 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Spell Penetration II


Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
Enhancement: Summon Skeleton Archer


Level 16 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master II
Enhancement: Summon Blackbone Archer
Enhancement: Summon Blackbone Knight
Enhancement: Summon Skeletal Mage
Enhancement: Shroud of the Vampire
Enhancement: Shroud of the Wraith


Level 17 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Enhancement: Summon Blackbone Mage


Level 19 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence III


Level 20 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Reconstructive Spellcasting II
Enhancement: Shroud of the Lich
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master III

I have gear that will be needed:
GS con Opp
GS HP item
some misc wiz items to boost Necro DCs and add to spell pen..

Any tips, suggestions, tweaks?

[Myrrae]

Feat selection looks reasonable, but why Pale Master? For quick lives AM evocation might be quicker (or Conjuration for the cheap webs). Zombie form is not worth it at all on a WF. The summons are also pretty lame.

I'd probably delay Insightful Reflexes until your second rogue level, take SF: Evocation or Conjuration instead, then go Archmage. If you do go AM: Conjuration, move Heighten up so you can fee heighten your webs.

[smithj_2020]

hmm ok, thanks for the reply, I dont really have an explanation as to why I was going pale master, mainly for the extra dc bonus in form for dcs or necro spells, such as FoD and such.

[Kinerd]

Even an AM only needs 1/0/0 in Repair, it's a good idea to have that much on a PM but any more is definitely not needed.

You're spending a LOT of AP on HP, by my count 16 for 60, which is not a good ratio. You could drop down to 3 for 20 and have a lot more AP to shore up what's somewhat of a weak spot...

Direct damage! Wizard direct damage is very different from clerics': the enhancements are different, the versatility just gets cranked way up, and the power of each option is higher.
-Fire is an ok element just for Wall of Fire, but 5/1/1 will do you better than 3/2/2.
-Cold is awesome, 7/1/1 is an excellent investment.
-Electric is ok just for Eladar's Electric surge.
-Acid is very interesting, but for your first life I would only go 1/0/0 in it. Your spell slots are limited anyway by the two rogue levels, learn all the other elements first.

For the rest of your AP, as Myrrae said you can ditch the summons, or you can get one early on to try out and see why everyone pooh-poohs them for yourself.

Also clutter up your bank with good Thaumaturgy staves. You can pretty easily find one at any given level with one good element in addition to the potency. If you can get the other element and the lore, all the better.

Feats look good. I would try to get Heighten a bit earlier, though.

[smithj_2020]

Even an AM only needs 1/0/0 in Repair, it's a good idea to have that much on a PM but any more is definitely not needed.

You're spending a LOT of AP on HP, by my count 16 for 60, which is not a good ratio. You could drop down to 3 for 20 and have a lot more AP to shore up what's somewhat of a weak spot...

Direct damage! Wizard direct damage is very different from clerics': the enhancements are different, the versatility just gets cranked way up, and the power of each option is higher.
-Fire is an ok element just for Wall of Fire, but 5/1/1 will do you better than 3/2/2.
-Cold is awesome, 7/1/1 is an excellent investment.
-Electric is ok just for Eladar's Electric surge.
-Acid is very interesting, but for your first life I would only go 1/0/0 in it. Your spell slots are limited anyway by the two rogue levels, learn all the other elements first.

For the rest of your AP, as Myrrae said you can ditch the summons, or you can get one early on to try out and see why everyone pooh-poohs them for yourself.

Also clutter up your bank with good Thaumaturgy staves. You can pretty easily find one at any given level with one good element in addition to the potency. If you can get the other element and the lore, all the better.

Feats look good. I would try to get Heighten a bit earlier, though.

Thanks for the advice, reworked the build and went AM instead, reworked APs dropped Warforged
Con and changed around elemental enhances and the build looks a lot better, also took heighten around 9-10 level, thanks for the advice and heads up.

[Myrrae]

hmm ok, thanks for the reply, I dont really have an explanation as to why I was going pale master, mainly for the extra dc bonus in form for dcs or necro spells, such as FoD and such.

For what it's worth, Necro DCs are only better on a PM than a necro AM because of lich form - which with 2 levels of rogue you wouldn't get until you are level 20 and ready to TR anyway

You can always swap your APs around to go Necro/Conj AM once you get FoD. (In fact I highly recommend resetting your APs periodically to respec as your feat and available enhancements change).

One other thing to keep in mind, if you take 1 point of Wand & Scroll mastery, the rogue version is better, but you can't take it until you have 2 levels of rogue.

[butcheredspirit]

A necromancy archmage will have the same necro DC as a pale master in lich form.

The archmage just gets access to the DC boost sooner.