what's your UMD for fleshies ?

[glouky]

I would like to TR into human sorc, but I don't see how to get enough UMD (39) for reliable self-healing.

I could probably get it with big efforts (gear, feats, etc.) at cap, but I would be interested to know how people are doing in practice to avoid sacrifying too much ressources on it.

So what is your UMD score and how do you acheive it without sacrifying too much on it?

[nivarch]

Cannot log on to check but top of my mind:
11 level up
5 epic levels
5 GS SP conc opp item
4 GH
15 from charisma (just assuming a lowish 40 charisma)
2 good luck
1 Spider mask
= 43

That's without any specific gear, just stuff I'd wear anyway.

For leveling purpose, you could wear a golden cartouche for +3
A big top for an additional +1
So you could be able to no fail around level 16 - 18 without significant investment.

[Rawel_San]

40 with a couple swaps pushing 50 with all swaps and destinies on a wizard at cap.

11 ranks
+1 12 charisma
+4 +7 cha item +1 litany
+6 shroud items
+3 vile blasphemy
+2 good luck
+3 t3 epic treasure hunter
+4 gh
+1 shroud of the lich
+1 yugo pot
+1 ship shrine
+1 +2 tome
+1 +3 tome and +1 exception cha item
+1 pre order mask
---------
40 umd

+2 sevenfingered gloves (+5 over +3 vile blasphemies)
+5 5 epic levels
+3 fatesinger thingie (don't remember the name)
------------
50 umd

[glouky]

Cannot log on to check but top of my mind:
11 level up
5 epic levels
5 GS SP conc opp item
4 GH
15 from charisma (just assuming a lowish 40 charisma)
2 good luck
1 Spider mask
= 43

That's without any specific gear, just stuff I'd wear anyway.

For leveling purpose, you could wear a golden cartouche for +3
A big top for an additional +1
So you could be able to no fail around level 16 - 18 without significant investment.

Thanks for the answer, I will be very interesting to plan my next TR...

[JOTMON]

I still prefer WF self repair then UMD for raise/healing others at higher levels.

A Sorc should have no issue getting to 39 and more with standard build Gear.

Most of the gearing items wont get you no fail heals until close to level 20, except for Helf Sorc with cleric dilante (would be the easiest to self heal while levelling).
Past lives and access to Silver Flame pots would make the process easier.



for example.. My WF Sorc (pre-epic non-TR) when he was level 20...for example.

11 Skill Points
14 from Charisma 38 (all level ups, tomes, stat gear)
2 Slotted Good Luck
4 GH
5 Greensteel Concordant Opposition Spell point item (could get 6pts , but not with con-op)
3 Bunny Hat Skin (Competence Bonus)* ** edted: there is a new store bunny hat that works.**

Thats 39 UMD with no gear swapping before any of the following..

Untyped - stacking buffs from Ship, Yugo or store pots. ( I dont bother counting House D pots)
Competence other sources of competence bonus such as Cannith crafted Persuasion item, cartouche, Regular Treasure Hunter Spyglass
Profane Bonus - LOTD, Many of us now have the Spider Mask skin(1)
Enhancement Bonus - Epic Treasure Hunter Spyglass(3) or Big Top(1)/Epic Big Top(3)
Untyped - Artificer passive past life feats +1 (stacks up to 3x)
Skill Boost - Human/Rogue/Artificer/Helf
Epic levels give 1/level
Other - UMD Feats/active Rogue past life feat/Multiclass UMD class(bard/Rogue/Arti) - not generally recommended.


Most stuff listed here..
http://ddowiki.com/page/Use_Magic_Device

[Systern]

...
3 Bunny Hat Skin (Competence Bonus)* this item is no longer available in DDO store.*

The "Bunny Hat" and "Fiendish Rabbit Helm" are both still in the store. The Bunny hat says it's a +5 to jump, I pulled my "Commemorative Bunny Hat" out of my TR cache and it gives the +3 to UMD when a wand or scroll is wielded but also only mentions the +5 to jump in the description...

I haven't heard about the bunny hat being changed, so I just double checked...

[DarkForte]

What I'm looking at when I TR my favored soul back into sorcerer (at level 20):

Charisma:
18 - Base
+5 - Level-ups;
+4 - Enhancements (Sorcerer Charisma III, Human Adaptability: Charisma)
+1 - Exceptional (ToD ring);
+2 - Insightful (ToD ring);
+7 - Item (Epic Helm of Frost)
+3 - Tome
---
40 (not counting temporary buffs)

+15 base

11 - Skill ranks
+15 - Charisma
+3 - Golden Cartouche / Bunny Hat
+4 - GH
+2 - Good Luck
+5 - Concordant Opposition SP item
---
40 standing UMD

Nothing I put here is particularly hard to get.

[JOTMON]

The "Bunny Hat" and "Fiendish Rabbit Helm" are both still in the store. The Bunny hat says it's a +5 to jump, I pulled my "Commemorative Bunny Hat" out of my TR cache and it gives the +3 to UMD when a wand or scroll is wielded but also only mentions the +5 to jump in the description...

I haven't heard about the bunny hat being changed, so I just double checked...

The commemorative bunny hat has the hidden +3 UMD effect, it was removed from the store and ninja replaced with a regular bunny hat.

Don't know if the new Bunny had givess the UMD bonus or just the non-stacking +5 jump.

Hence my note that it may no longer be available, would hate to see people buying the new bunny hat expecting to get a UMD boost and find it doesn't.

*edited: Posts by others indicate the new bunny hat does provide the UMD bonus.

[GlassJaw]

Re: Cartouche/Bunny Hat

Just make a Persuasion item: +3 to all Cha skill. Simple.

[Xyy]

Re: Cartouche/Bunny Hat

Just make a Persuasion item: +3 to all Cha skill. Simple.

Sorry, not simple. This is not a substitute for the Bunny Hat.

[Purkilius]

Before I had my UMD gear I used human skill boost, just turn it on then use the heal scroll. then you dont have hot swap a few items. But I would recommend getting a GS sp item with cha skills and a GS item with insight +3 cha before you TR.

[glouky]

I finally TRed with

1 Spider mask
18+4 charism (a ML0 +4 CHA ring)
skill focus UMD (I realized how easy it is to swap feats at low (<12) level)
human skill
command robe

So I can selfheal with wand and scroll now...

I finished my GS SP conc opp item

and will get
1 good luck
11 level up
5 epic levels
4 GH
+8 cha robe

at the end of the journey...

Thank you again for advice as it was quite difficult to estimate how much sacrifice is requiered to self heal a sorc.

BTW, after years of playing WF arcanes or human pale master, I still have to remember to check my HP bar

[Lord_WC]

I still prefer WF self repair then UMD for raise/healing others at higher levels.

A Sorc should have no issue getting to 39 and more with standard build Gear.

Most of the gearing items wont get you no fail heals until close to level 20, except for Helf Sorc with cleric dilante (would be the easiest to self heal while levelling).
Past lives and access to Silver Flame pots would make the process easier.

I prefer WF self heals with umd to raise the squishies as well.
The other two options both have some problems:

He needs 13 wis to pick cleric dillie, which is pretty counterproductive on a sorc. Even more so that it means you lose con in the process. Or you can get pala to start with, then switch to cler dili when you reached high enough levels that your tomes kick in. Which is actually okay, since pala/bard can use wands and wands are still not tied to caster levels. But you won't have heal scrolls too much sooner from dillies even with a half-elf.

Silver flame pots are even worse. They give -10 to all abilities, so you have to avoid having a 10 in a stat or less (I'm looking at you int&wis&dex) at all times. The saves part actually doesn't really matter, you have crappy ones anyway.

[capeman]

The commemorative bunny hat has the hidden +3 UMD effect, it was removed from the store and ninja replaced with a regular bunny hat.

The new version of the bunny hat which does not appear to give anything other than the next to worthless overpriced non-stacking +5 jump.

Hence my note that it is no longer available, would hate to see people buying the new bunny hat expecting to get a UMD boost and realizing it does nothing.

the UMD boost is only there when equipping a wand/scroll, and is still there for a bunny hat bought today (30/8)

[JOTMON]

the UMD boost is only there when equipping a wand/scroll, and is still there for a bunny hat bought today (30/8)

Good to know, there was a timeframe when the Commemorative Bunny hat gave the bonus and then it was gone from the store and there was no bunny hat to be found in the store.

Then a new Bunny hat came out to the DDO store that was not the same hat. Had heard the new one was not providing the bonus when it first came out but had not tested myself.

Currently others have said it is working so I have updated my post.

[Myrrae]

I prefer WF self heals with umd to raise the squishies as well.
The other two options both have some problems:

He needs 13 wis to pick cleric dillie, which is pretty counterproductive on a sorc. Even more so that it means you lose con in the process. Or you can get pala to start with, then switch to cler dili when you reached high enough levels that your tomes kick in. Which is actually okay, since pala/bard can use wands and wands are still not tied to caster levels. But you won't have heal scrolls too much sooner from dillies even with a half-elf.

Silver flame pots are even worse. They give -10 to all abilities, so you have to avoid having a 10 in a stat or less (I'm looking at you int&wis&dex) at all times. The saves part actually doesn't really matter, you have crappy ones anyway.

I think you can go FvS with 13 cha though, so pretty much the same thing. Silver Flame pots work once your tomes start kicking in and you get some +stat items. You can get no ML +2 stat items that are BTA if I remember right.

For what it's worth, I don't have great gear on my sorc - not even the GS - and I still no fail heal scrolls at cap. 16 base from levels (11 + 5 epic) + 15 charisma isn't that far of a gap to bridge, especially with luck items and GH. I don't gear specifically for UMD on my sorc, it just works out.