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    Default Connor's/Gilvaenor's stacking with alacrity?

    So I pulled a Connor's Ring yesterday, not the ideal Gilvaenor's but it's halfway there. Picked up the pendant with a normal run on New Invasion but now worried about reports that the set bonus wasn't stacking with normal ranged alacrity like what is granted from my Quiver of Alacrity.

    Some basic tests:
    Light Crossbow, no buffs, precision turned off, normal bolts (cold iron actually), outside of PBS range, helpless training dummy:
    W/set bonus: 4:16
    W/out set bonus: 4:18

    Certainly within a margin for error. Not looking good.

    Shortbow, no buffs, 15 strength, not helpless training dummy, otherwise as above:
    W/set bonus: 5:58 (399 arrows)
    W/out set bonus: 6:03 (396 arrows)

    So, 1.4% difference just by the times but the arrows/second might help the situation.
    399 arrows in 358 seconds = 1.11452513966 arrows/second
    396 arrows in 363 seconds = 1.09090909091 arrows/second
    (399/358)/(396/363)=1.02164804469

    or, 2.2% attack speed increase from Connor's set.

    This outcome is about in keeping with current knowledge that alacrity effects provide roughly half of their advertised value. It would stand to reason that Gilvaenor's set provides a similar increase so maybe 4.4%?

    Final test is to see if I get an extra volley of manyshot while it's equipped.
    Alacrity: 22 volleys
    Alacrity+Connors: 23 volleys(!)
    Haste:
    Haste+Connors: 23 volleys

    If that extra volley with Connors isn't an anomaly (anyone else want to try something similar?) then it's a worthwhile +4.5% DPS to each manyshot activation.

    This is on a 7 Ranger/7 Artificer/6 Monk/3 Epic with 20 BAB w/Flurry of Blows (18 w/out).
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    Both of those sets do stack with haste/alacrity items, but don't stack with the ranger capstone.
    Pretty good for ranged combat users for non-ranger classes or ranger multi-classes as it lets you get some of the ranger capstone bonus without having to be a pure ranger.

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    Did they ever fix either set?

    Both were borked forever, is why I ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferd View Post
    Did they ever fix either set?

    Both were borked forever, is why I ask.
    How borked?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaisoni View Post
    Both of those sets do stack with haste/alacrity items, but don't stack with the ranger capstone.
    Pretty good for ranged combat users for non-ranger classes or ranger multi-classes as it lets you get some of the ranger capstone bonus without having to be a pure ranger.
    Connor's doesn't stack with hjaste or alacrity. Does with ranger cap.
    Gilvaenor's does stack with hjaste, doesn't with cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Encair View Post
    Connor's doesn't stack with hjaste or alacrity. Does with ranger cap.
    Gilvaenor's does stack with hjaste, doesn't with cap.
    Connors and Gilvaenors should be the same type and both should stack with haste/alacrity but maybe not with ranger capstone (never had, don't care).

    My testing with Connors above supports this too giving about what would be expected (half of the advertised value).
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    Well, just checked Gilvaenor's description, it's competence so it should stack with haste.
    Connor's doesn't say the bonus type, I just got info from http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=361105 and amount of bardchers wearing it, don't think I've seen anyone self-hasting wearing Connor's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Encair View Post
    Well, just checked Gilvaenor's description, it's competence so it should stack with haste.
    Connor's doesn't say the bonus type, I just got info from http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=361105 and amount of bardchers wearing it, don't think I've seen anyone self-hasting wearing Connor's.
    I have a quiver of alacrity which provides twice what Connors does and I still haste, 22%>10%>5%.

    From my testing Quiver and Connors stack, maybe haste is weird?
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