Assassinate working?

[Bartholamew]

I just read a really annoying thread with lots of people snapping at each other on the general forums (https://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=386631) talking about assassinate not working properly. No consensus was reached as far as I could tell though the posters with better grammar and less use of net-speak (a sure sign of idiocy in my experiences) seemed in favor it working properly. Anyone here have a confirmation?

[soloist12]

I just read a really annoying thread with lots of people snapping at each other on the general forums (https://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=386631) talking about assassinate not working properly. No consensus was reached as far as I could tell though the posters with better grammar and less use of net-speak (a sure sign of idiocy in my experiences) seemed in favor it working properly. Anyone here have a confirmation?

Not completely. It seems to depend on the weapons used. It never goes off when using x2 emg on an unagro'd target, but if I'm using rad ii/lit ii rapiers it always goes off. Still bugged despite saying its fixed in the last patch notes.

[ElbionTcob]

Really? I have been playing my rogue exclusively through new content. After probably 20ish hours of playtime on my pure Assassin Rogue... I have not seen a single issue.

I normally have either an Earth/Earth alchemical kopesh, or a +4 Anarchic Flame touched Iron Kopesh of Radiance. Off hand eMG. Occasionally for trash I have a Sacrificial Dagger when I feel like debuffing/vampirism. Sometimes I hit assassinate with dual kopeshes when im too lazy to swap that second. But so far haven't seen any issues. Same as before, jump, stealth, assassinate, kill one or two mobs, unstealth, keep hitting for 13 seconds, rinse repeat.

[Qezuzu]

Yes that thread is a clusterf***.

I am absolutely not seeing this issue. I tried with all the weapons I have (which is only like 7 or 8, but still) and against multiple kinds of mobs. I simply couldn't get Assassinate to not work.

Not completely. It seems to depend on the weapons used. It never goes off when using x2 emg on an unagro'd target, but if I'm using rad ii/lit ii rapiers it always goes off. Still bugged despite saying its fixed in the last patch notes.

Some weapon effects interrupting Assassinate is the only thing I can think of, and whatever they are they're nothing that I have. What's troubling is eMG doesn't block Assassinate for me.

And the people who were having trouble with Assassinate aren't saying what weapons they're using. So if you're having trouble with Assassinate, try using different weapons.

[Vormaerin]

I've been assassinating just fine in Gianthold, Orchard, Lords of Dust, Vale, etc regardless of what weapon I'm using. I'm getting double assassinates on adjacent bad guys. Honestly, I have no idea what those folks are having problems with or why.

[Vengenance]

My assassin is currently level 15 and I haven't had any issues with assassination thus far using a Raidance Rapier in main hand and lit II short sword in the off-hand (old char made when piercing ruled the DDO lands..).

Regarding assination and Epic Midnight Greetings, if I only have one 1 EMG in my off-hand will the added DC count toward my mainhand attempt or do I need to grind for 2 EMGs?

[Qezuzu]

Regarding assination and Epic Midnight Greetings, if I only have one 1 EMG in my off-hand will the added DC count toward my mainhand attempt or do I need to grind for 2 EMGs?

Off-hand, main hand, Sword and Board, doesn't matter. If you're holding it you get the bonus.

[cyadra]

Nope, not working at all for me. Maybe I need to not be behind a monster, undetected, in stealth mode before I try it.

[Qezuzu]

Nope, not working at all for me. Maybe I need to not be behind a monster, undetected, in stealth mode before I try it.

What weapons are you using?
What level are you?
What mob are you trying it against?
Is the mob inactive (standing around, waiting for players) or attacking someone else?
Were you able to Assassinate things with ease before u14?

[arcattaii]

I found some issues while soloing quests (or in solo situations), that some effects such as Ravager's Cut may affect your assassinate.

In my experience, Ravager's Cut is still prior to other effects and assassinate. When you are soloing quests and ready to assassinate a monster, ravager's cut will aggro the monster first and make assassinate fail. But in a group fighting, this is not noticeable since your group mate usually can hold aggro for a while.

Why I said Ravager's Cut is the source is becauce when I swap for Frenzied Berserker set, assassinate seems to work well.

Maybe there are other effects are prior to assassinate, but I haven't noticed them yet.

[soloist12]

Yes that thread is a clusterf***.

I am absolutely not seeing this issue. I tried with all the weapons I have (which is only like 7 or 8, but still) and against multiple kinds of mobs. I simply couldn't get Assassinate to not work.



Some weapon effects interrupting Assassinate is the only thing I can think of, and whatever they are they're nothing that I have. What's troubling is eMG doesn't block Assassinate for me.

And the people who were having trouble with Assassinate aren't saying what weapons they're using. So if you're having trouble with Assassinate, try using different weapons.

When I have one emg/anything combo equipped, its fine. When i have dual emgs, it's not fine. Perhaps its anything with paralyze and/or improved paralyze? Try equipping 2 weapons at once with paralyze on them and see.

[Qezuzu]

I found some issues while soloing quests (or in solo situations), that some effects such as Ravager's Cut may affect your assassinate.

In my experience, Ravager's Cut is still prior to other effects and assassinate. When you are soloing quests and ready to assassinate a monster, ravager's cut will aggro the monster first and make assassinate fail. But in a group fighting, this is not noticeable since your group mate usually can hold aggro for a while.

Why I said Ravager's Cut is the source is becauce when I swap for Frenzied Berserker set, assassinate seems to work well.

Maybe there are other effects are prior to assassinate, but I haven't noticed them yet.

Ravager's set has mucked up Assassinate for awhile now.

[Qezuzu]

When I have one emg/anything combo equipped, its fine. When i have dual emgs, it's not fine. Perhaps its anything with paralyze and/or improved paralyze? Try equipping 2 weapons at once with paralyze on them and see.

Nope, Assassinate still works. Epic Philarian Dagger offhand, eMG main hand.

[Vormaerin]

I can't assassinate mobs that are completely inactive... like, say, a rakshasa waiting to do a dialogue thing. Can't even target them.

But mobs standing around, hostile but not aware of anyone being present? Easy to kill.

[cyadra]

What weapons are you using?
What level are you?
What mob are you trying it against?
Is the mob inactive (standing around, waiting for players) or attacking someone else?
Were you able to Assassinate things with ease before u14?

tried a Q-staff, Rapiers, kopesh, longswords, anything really, heck pulled out my old Carnifex and tried that, and tried everything from radiance to silver weapons.
level 17, highly stealthed. There were times I stood behind the mob for almost a minute without even moving and was not detected.
almost any mob really, didnt matter if it was a kobold, orc, lion, didnt matter.
mainly the mob was inactive. a few times it was attacking my henchman or someone else
I could assassinate very well before U14 on another server.

[Spoonwelder]

I was having no problems on my assassin before I TR'd him - occasionally it wouldn't go off on a drow who spotted me at the last second (and they have a very high spot)....once in a while their arrows would hit me as they shot a trailing hire and break my stealth (or they hit me because they could spot me - hide/move both in the 55+ range).

[Arakasia]

ok so info first, i've only just gone 14th...1st life pure halfling assassin/rogue twf, assassinate dc32,

using
turbulent epee mainhand and a +3 holy cold iron rapier of deception with festival icy burst on it...cant get a assassinate to work, tried GH and sands, neither of which did

using
lvl 12 cutthroat's smallblade in main and sting in off hand...i can get it to work nps..

now here's the killer, couple of days ago, when i first read one of the assassinate not working threads i went out to sands to try it, didnt feel confident enough to go to GH but, using the same +3 holy coldiron rapier and a
/=4 keen rapier of backstabbing with fest. icy burst on it, and assassinate worked nps...

so the turb epee's elemental burst damage must be getting in the way of the assassinate effect..

I'll leave it in the hands who know rogues better than me, which is probably any that have taken any real time with them...to figure out what that means but i know if i wanna assassinate something, then not to use turb epee at least

[brzytki]

so the turb epee's elemental burst damage must be getting in the way of the assassinate effect..

It does. It's been known for a long time now, same as Ravager's set DoT effect.

[Arakasia]

It does. It's been known for a long time now, same as Ravager's set DoT effect.

sorry, never heard anything about it, but then this is my first rogue thats gotten to this lvl, my first rogue only got to 5th then i had realised that i had made an enormous error and not put much into umd, and as it was only just beginning, it was easier to delete and reroll

[Qezuzu]

I've been noticing that most of the rogues that are having trouble with Assassinate aren't at cap, like cyadra. But then there'Arakasia, who's even lower level, that isn't having trouble.

cyadra, what server are you on? I'm thinking it might have something to do with server. That's the only thing I can think of, because we still haven't found a weapon that consistently blocks Assassinate.

So everyone, just state which server you're on and whether or not you can Assassinate inactive mobs. I'm on Orien, and I don't have any trouble.