My depressing DDO Day (Renown)

[eris2323]

'Obviously' is a quite strong word.

If that is not what you are saying please elaborate.

His guiild is obviously not JUST casual players, because he is not a casual player, and he is in it?

Is that not clear enough? I'm sorry, I thought it was clear.

"Just" is a strong word too. Just as "strong" as "obviously"

[eris2323]

Maybe the reason why so many power-gamers are taking offence to these posts is because I am doing everything in my power to avoid turning our guild into a powergamer guild?

Just because I don't want to be like you, doesn't invalidate you in any way. It doesn't make you a bad person. I'm not looking down on you.

I just want to play my game. My Social Game. With my friends.

I'm sorry, I probably could be grinding... something right now, but I'm just not.

I'm chatting with my friends.

[FestusHood]

Sorry this is my first post so i hope it doesn't look too amateurish.

I remember back in my college days there was an option to take classes as a 'monitor' i.e. sit in on the classes but receive no grade and no credit.

How about an option for guild members to select whether or not to factor into guild renown? They could simply choose to be admitted as a social member, the result being that they would not factor into renown in any way.
They would not cause decay, nor would they gain renown for anything they did. They would still have access to all the guild perks, and why not as i can invite anybody i group with onto my guild ship to use the buffs.

To avoid potential abuse this could be a status which would be able to be toggled, say once every 30 days?

Just throwin' it out there

[HungarianRhapsody]

Maybe the reason why so many power-gamers are taking offence to these posts is because I am doing everything in my power to avoid turning our guild into a powergamer guild?

Can you please let us know which of us are the power-gamers that are taking offense?

Am I a power-gamer, for instance?

[eris2323]

There's actually been at least 3-4 fairly good ideas I've seen to change renown decay formulas and make it less unfriendly to new players and casuals.

My own are at the bottom of the post... but there's lots of suggestions for the devs to go through...

We can only hope they are seeing the amount of renown threads lately, and thinking that perhaps ... maybe... some change could go in.

[Perikeles]

His guiild is obviously not JUST casual players, because he is not a casual player, and he is in it?

Is that not clear enough? I'm sorry, I thought it was clear.

"Just" is a strong word too. Just as "strong" as "obviously"

That is just your guessing, is it not?

I think I'll go with trudh and believe that he and his guild is a casual guild. I have no reason to think otherwise. Nothing points to him being 'not-casual'. I think his example was a valid example.

[eris2323]

That is just your guessing, is it not?

I think I'll go with trudh and believe that he and his guild is a casual guild. I have no reason to think otherwise. Nothing points to him being 'not-casual'. I think his example was a valid example.

With the gentleman having 13,000 forum posts, and seems to be online every day...

Well, Okay - you go ahead and think Thrudhs a casual player.

I'm going to think differently.

I guess we could ask him... how often do you play, thrudh? How many hours a day? A week?

He's certainly active in the forums, that's for sure!

[eris2323]

Can you please let us know which of us are the power-gamers that are taking offense?

Am I a power-gamer, for instance?

Who am I to know?

Why do you want to limit my game?

What makes you think you should be able to dictate how I play *MY* game?

Answer those, and perhaps the answers will come to us.

[Perikeles]

Posts on the forums are hardly a meter of playstyle. It'd be silly to think it is.
If you give him the benefit of doubt and consider what he is saying his comment is quite reasonable. To dismiss his opinion about casual guilds off hand by just saying 'your guild isn't a casual guild because you are in it' isn't really fair either.

[HungarianRhapsody]

Who am I to know?

Why do you want to limit my game?

What makes you think you should be able to dictate how I play *MY* game?

Answer those, and perhaps the answers will come to us.

I do not want to limit your game. I am not able to dictate how you play your game. I have not once attempted to do so.

I do think that *Turbine* should be able to dictate how you play *THEIR* game.

[eris2323]

I do not want to limit your game. I am not able to dictate how you play your game. I have not once attempted to do so.

I do think that *Turbine* should be able to dictate how you play *THEIR* game.

Your problem is not with guild renown decay. Your problem is with the fact that you think you should be gaining guild levels when you have no reason to do so other than your own desire for guild levels.


You're putting words into my mouth.


If you WANT to gain levels, then you're only doing it for e-peen.

And here you're telling me what my motives are. And you're also being insulting about it.

That was this page alone. Do you want me to go back through all your posts and prove you wrong?

[HungarianRhapsody]

Your problem is not with guild renown decay. Your problem is with the fact that you think you should be gaining guild levels when you have no reason to do so other than your own desire for guild levels.


You're putting words into my mouth.


If you WANT to gain levels, then you're only doing it for e-peen.

And here you're telling me what my motives are. And you're also being insulting about it.

That was this page alone. Do you want me to go back through all your posts and prove you wrong?

When the words that I put in your mouth are accurate, what's the problem?

You want to gain guild levels. You've said repeatedly that you want to gain guild levels. You've said repeatedly that you have a major problem with the idea of your guild stalling in guild levels. Should I go back and find quotes?

There is no meaningful game-benefit for gaining any more guild levels than you have now. The only real reason for you to want more guild levels is just for the sake of having more guild levels.

[eris2323]

When the words that I put in your mouth are accurate, what's the problem?

You want to gain guild levels. You've said repeatedly that you want to gain guild levels. You've said repeatedly that you have a major problem with the idea of your guild stalling in guild levels. Should I go back and find quotes?

There is no meaningful game-benefit for gaining any more guild levels than you have now. The only real reason for you to want more guild levels is just for the sake of having more guild levels.

They're not accurate. Read back. I'll wait. Go through all of my posts, if you must.

[eris2323]

Here, I'll even make it easier for you.

I am the leader of a large guild.

It is a democratic guild - we vote on things.

The majority of our players do want to gain levels.

Therefore, we will have to remove casual players.

It is not my personal choice.

I do not feel this is a fair choice; guild levels vs guilds with a casual component.

I am suggesting changes, elsewhere in the forums.

[eris2323]

Given "shut up and be happy with what you have" is not what I've ever said in this thread or any other and given that I do not believe my words are evil and that you're only trying to bait me into infractionable posts at this point, I'll gladly bow out of the thread.

We're done.

[Thrudh]

>>A): no casual guilds can't possibly reach level 73
>>B): My guild is casual, and we've reached 73
>>A): Well, no TRUE casual guild can reach level 73

What's wrong with this ? :P

Doesn't really matter what guild level I'm at... HIS guild is at level 72, and he claims his guild is a casual guild. So obviously casual guilds can reach significant guild levels.

[Thrudh]

When the guild renown wall is FAR above any meaningful guild ship buff in the game, then there is really no problem.

If you WANT to gain levels, then you're only doing it for e-peen.

If you feel like you HAVE to kick casual players in order to feed your e-peen, then those were never actual friends in the first place and your first post in this thread is completely ridiculous because you claim to actually CARE about those people and you seem to believe that kicking them out of your guild is doing something bad to them.

My own guild is currently at 72 because of the build your guild event and we are slowly losing renown each day. No one has even considered kicking guild members out of the guild. We are actively recruiting good people for the guild (and we have no requirements for an amount of play each week). We wouldn't even kick members if it were the difference between staying at 70 and dropping back to 69 where Large Guild Augment items no longer work properly.

Your problem is not with guild renown decay. Your problem is with the fact that you think you should be gaining guild levels when you have no reason to do so other than your own desire for guild levels.

When your concern for the people you claim to care about exceeds your desire for more prestige that no one outside your guild cares about, then you will find no temptation to kick members from your guild.

This.

[Thrudh]

Sorry this is my first post so i hope it doesn't look too amateurish.

I remember back in my college days there was an option to take classes as a 'monitor' i.e. sit in on the classes but receive no grade and no credit.

How about an option for guild members to select whether or not to factor into guild renown? They could simply choose to be admitted as a social member, the result being that they would not factor into renown in any way.
They would not cause decay, nor would they gain renown for anything they did. They would still have access to all the guild perks, and why not as i can invite anybody i group with onto my guild ship to use the buffs.

To avoid potential abuse this could be a status which would be able to be toggled, say once every 30 days?

Just throwin' it out there

I think that's a cool idea.

[TheStog]

I don't think anyone is confused with your position. Their response is, who cares...guild levels don't really matter.

Get over it.

[eris2323]

I don't think anyone is confused with your position. Their response is, who cares...guild levels don't really matter.

Get over it.

Oh no... with the amount of words put into my mouth in the last few hours, I think either people are not understanding, or they are just trying to start fights by repeating themselves.

That wouldn't happen though, right?