Are rouges Redundant?

[HongKongKid]

Are rouges Redundant? Because Artificers have come out and well provided if they are built well, can out-class a rouge anytime. Rouges are in my mind weak and not good at melee or ranged now because artificers have essentially made them redundant and superfluous. A arti can self repair/heal and can cast as well as rock with crossbows. A rouge has to take the feat where it is just given to an artificer.

[ZeebaNeighba]

Evasion

17d6+12 potential extra sneak attack damage

They're more bad@$$

People still play rogues.

[anttoni11]

Evasion

17d6+12 potential extra sneak attack damage

They're more bad@$$

People still play rogues.

Dark elusion->evasion fixed arty or option 2 monk lvl

[Uska]

rogues can get traps that arties have little or no chance at due to where the box his rogues can do a lot of damage ASSASINATE! rogues are fine

[HatsuharuZ]

rogues can get traps that arties have little or no chance at due to where the box his rogues can do a lot of damage ASSASINATE! rogues are fine

This is true. My Arty had alot of trouble in Vault of Night (part 5) since the trap box was INSIDE the trap. With a jump buff, ablative armor, and Prot from Energy, however, I can usually get the traps that force me to run through them first. It's harder without evasion, but it can be done.

[Jendrak]

rogues can get traps that most arties have little or no chance at due to where the box his rogues can do a lot of damage ASSASINATE! rogues are fine

FTFY,

Its all about build, gear, knowledge, and skill. My rogue became my arti and trappping ability regardless of location is not an issue for me.

[Wipey]

Quite the opposite, many things in the world wouldn't be so pretty.

[Buggss]

I dunno, I mean I'm not female but foundation is also a good choice for making yourself look nice. I wouldn't say rouges are useless at all!

[destiny4405]

Rouges are an essential component of a balanced party's makeup, but they are way overpowdered.
I've seen one rouge mascara a whole kobold village.
In my experience, rouges paint the battlefield red.

this^

[Lonnbeimnech]

Are barbarians and fighters Redundant? Because Artificers have come out and well provided if they are built well, can out-class a barbarian or fighter anytime. Barbarians and fighters are in my mind weak and not good at melee or ranged now because artificers have essentially made them redundant and superfluous. A arti can self repair/heal and can cast as well as rock with crossbows. A barbarian or fighters has to take the feat where an artificer can just cast master's touch.




Are Wizards and sorcerers Redundant? Because Artificers have come out and well provided if they are built well, can out-class a wizard or sorcerer anytime. Wizards and sorcerers are in my mind weak and not good at melee or ranged now because artificers have essentially made them redundant and superfluous. A arti can self repair/heal and can cast as well as rock with crossbows. A wizard or sorcerer has to memorise spells where an artificer can just use a scroll.



Are clerics and favored souls Redundant? Because Artificers have come out and well provided if they are built well, can out-class a cleric or favored soul anytime. clerics and favored souls are in my mind weak and not good at melee or ranged now because artificers have essentially made them redundant and superfluous. A arti can self repair/heal and can cast as well as rock with crossbows. A cleric or fvs can't take force damage enhancements where an artificer can.

[dragon2fire]

This is one of those joke post right? Rouges are one of the top dps classes in the game!!!!

[Antiguo]

We need here a Phillip J.Fray pic asking himself: "dont know if this guy cant spell or just being a troll"

[UltraMonk2]

Are rouges Redundant? Because Artificers have come out and well provided if they are built well, can out-class a rouge anytime. Rouges are in my mind weak and not good at melee or ranged now because artificers have essentially made them redundant and superfluous. A arti can self repair/heal and can cast as well as rock with crossbows. A rouge has to take the feat where it is just given to an artificer.

Sadly makeup artists are indeed nearly redundant in today's DDO ever since House Cannith released the Cosmeticatron 2000. However with the Makeup Artist Epic Destiny coming soon the top tier ability is 'Flurry of Powder Puffs', beta testers have described it as a very devastating ability.

I'd still enjoy playing a Rouge, nothing quite like sneaking up behind your opponent and giving them a quick makeover.

The surprise on their faces have to be seen!

[enteriiblackwater]

Well Rouge has it's place of course as long as you dont go overboard. I have seen a couple of tarted up Half orc wenches that went severly overboard with the rouge as like putting perfume on a pig.

However as normal keep it in moderation and it can really highlight your face..

Ent

[pie2655]

Rogues are gimp.

[SSFWEl]

Are rouges Redundant? Because Artificers have come out and well provided if they are built well, can out-class a rouge anytime. Rouges are in my mind weak and not good at melee or ranged now because artificers have essentially made them redundant and superfluous. A arti can self repair/heal and can cast as well as rock with crossbows. A rouge has to take the feat where it is just given to an artificer.

Yes, yes they are. So please, never go play one.

They are terrible. Their DPS stinks, they have no instakill and they cant use scrolls like heal, rez, GH, prot, silver and other, anyway useless, scrolls.
They can't evade stuff, and when they do, they actually get double damage.
When they are not being agroed, a Rogues' damage to enemies actually plummets. This is compounded by the fact that Rogues have no way to limit the amount of agro they gather. They are hate magnets.

In summary, I think Rogues should be removed from the game, or, conversely, only be played by players who want to make sure groups can't finish quests.

[Cinos]

The artificer's weakness is their lack of evasion. The rogue's weakness is their terrible DPS against fortified enemies. Pick your poison or splash the former with the latter.

[Vormaerin]

The artificer's weakness is their lack of evasion. The rogue's weakness is their terrible DPS against fortified enemies. Pick your poison or splash the former with the latter.

Yeah, but Precision, Opportunist, and other such skills really make that weakness on the part of rogues much less than it was.

Anyway, a good rogue will do crazy DPS even without Assassinate, plus be as able to scroll heal nearly as well as an artificer. Evasion is a big plus for survivability in fights, entirely beside the issue of traps.

[MaximusParthas]

The artificer's weakness is their lack of evasion. The rogue's weakness is their terrible DPS against fortified enemies. Pick your poison or splash the former with the latter.

Rogues actually have a better chance than any other class at high end hits against fortified opponents. Why do you think they need threat reduction?
Feats like opportunist and fortification reduction abilities/items have more times when even the most boss boss has no fortification at all.

[Elaril]

Is this a mind trick thread to get rogues a buff? If so, forget I mentioned it.